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Old 07-01-2012, 10:24 AM
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Default Overpriced polished turds: Mitchell's Mausers

Wow, I can't believe that not only are there unaware and clueless folks who believe Mitchell's lying fraudulent b.s. regarding their knowingly misrepresented Yugo M48 Mausers and assed-up Russian capture 98k's, but there are even those "head up the butt...er, I mean, in the sand", "the earth is flat" drooling moron types who still insist that these rifles are what Mitchell's says they are, and come up with all kinds of rationalizations and crack-head fantasies to support these delusions. Yes, Mitchell's is telling the truth, and those brown lumps I shovel up in my dog yard each day are really filet mignon.
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All RC K-98's are overpriced IMO. Due to them being rebuilt by the Russian's, defaced Waffenampts & all the nasty import markings on them, they will never be real collectors items. There will be a market for them, but nothing near what unmolested vet bring backs or pre 1968 non import marked ones will bring.
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Ain't America great! Mitchel can sell what he wants and you can buy or not as you choose. You can even complain about it if you like.
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Ain't America great! Mitchel can sell what he wants and you can buy or not as you choose. You can even complain about it if you like.
It's quite a bit different, since what Mitchell's sells is fraudulent goods. Sure, they're Mausers, but they're completely misrepresented with forged markings.

I firmly believe that if someone were to sue them for misrepresentation of their goods it would be a slam dunk case for the plaintiff.

Not everything can be resolved by the "free market."
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My first rifle was a Mitchells M48 Mauser back in 2007.

Paid almost 400 dollars out the door after shipping, taxes, FFL (Firing Line HB) DROS, etc.

Overpaid? Hell Yes.

Would I buy from again? Probably not, as I am CR holder now and can disassemble and clean 98 Mausers in my sleep.

Bitter? No. I just wanted a Mauser 98 type rifle back then, cleaned and ready to shoot. I didnt care for the Nazi markings or collector value.
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I would not buy from them myself but others must bacause they are still in business. I do not want my C&R firearms all redone etc and overpriced. So I choose not to buy from them. The other guy can if he wants. I may shake my head but it is his money, desire and firearm so it really is notany of my business
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I love Mitchell's Mausers! Without being curious as to how they managed to "find" a huge warehouse full of unissued authentically marked K98 sniper rifles that had been forgotten since WW2, I never would have stumbled onto Calguns!
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Oh, and I did not buy, Calguns saved me!
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It's quite a bit different, since what Mitchell's sells is fraudulent goods. Sure, they're Mausers, but they're completely misrepresented with forged markings.

I firmly believe that if someone were to sue them for misrepresentation of their goods it would be a slam dunk case for the plaintiff.

Not everything can be resolved by the "free market."
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**** Mitchell's. That's all.

I especially find it funny how they seem to go over the top to try to assure potential buyers that their stuff is "authentic" and whatnot...
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Have you noticed the two large articles on them in the past few issues of American Rifleman? They must be buddies with one of the editors.
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Surplus rifle magazine had a big article about them too, makes you wonder whos pocket is getting greased behind the scenes
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Could someone possible link us to the articles?

Thanks.


I do notice they get a lot of press in those magazines though.
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The latest issue http://www.americanrifleman.org/arti...s50-22-review/

The feature was in the Feb 2012 issue but cannot locate a link on the American Rifleman website or through Google.
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I did read an article on them that talked about how they purchased some of this "original" tooling and were going to start manufacturing "new" K98's in one of the baltic states. They would truly be manufactured Mitchell's, not jacked up, overpriced C&R's. Scary, I wonder how many of these "lost treasure chest warehouses full of K98's manufactured special for the SS by Hitler himself, proofed by Himmler, and packed by Goering" they will "find."
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Theoretically "we" know better, but we still get chuckle-heads posting about how great CTD is.

A what and his what are soon what?
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They have ads in the VFW mags and all sorts of gun mags.

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Theoretically "we" know better, but we still get chuckle-heads posting about how great CTD is.

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The latest issue http://www.americanrifleman.org/arti...s50-22-review/

The feature was in the Feb 2012 issue but cannot locate a link on the American Rifleman website or through Google.
Oh god! That doesnt even look like a PPSh-41.
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Yeah, but when you get newbies who have little sense of history, they are always prey for hucksters. I used to collect antique slot machines and the story there is exactly the same. When you go to the casinos in Vegas that sell "vintage" antique slots to unsuspecting rubes with more money than brains, they are the same thing.

I have no issues with people selling replicas or mixmasters of old parts as long as they don't represent said as items as the "real deal". In doesn't matter whether it is guns, cars, furniture or whatever, if you want the real deal, you have to do your research and gain some expertise in the field. It's like my CMP HRA SS M1. I know it is original metal, a mix of beautiful HRA and SA with a new stock. I would never sell it as a WWII M1 Garand because it is not. And it is good enough for me because I wanted a shooter with a sense of history rather than a serial number matching antique that is too valuable to shoot.
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All RC K-98's are overpriced IMO. Due to them being rebuilt by the Russian's, defaced Waffenampts & all the nasty import markings on them, they will never be real collectors items. There will be a market for them, but nothing near what unmolested vet bring backs or pre 1968 non import marked ones will bring.
"All RC K-98's are overpriced."
"They will never be real collectors items."


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Oh god! That doesnt even look like a PPSh-41.
Sure it does. Drum mag, half stock and barrel shroud- looks close enough, I think. And they don't advertise it as one, they clearly call it something else.

I find all their adverts slippery and to be read critically, if the uninformed read a Mitchells advert making assumptions I think they'll be disappointed.

I wouldn't buy at Mitchells expecting anything other than a shooter. I'd buy from them only if I didn't feel like looking around at a show or cleaning up a genuine milsurp.
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Contribute financially to a magazine or cause, they will usually write favorably about your product - it's economics, lads.

Anyone who knows, understands Mitchell's rifles are the equivalent in collector value to "rifle connoisseurs" as home shopping network pen-knife collections are to "blade aficionados."

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If you are looking for a shooter that looks nice, a Mitchell's is ok. If you are looking for a historically accurate rifle for collecting purposes, not so much.

I have a Yugo that the previous owner put a beautiful high gloss finish on the stock and refinished all the metal in "Mauser" blue. It is a great shooter, looks really nice, but it's not a collectors piece. I got a good deal in it, love shooting it, but I also know wat it isn't. That's ok, I bought it to shoot.
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Have you noticed the two large articles on them in the past few issues of American Rifleman? They must be buddies with one of the editors.
It bugs me that the NRA seems to just let this stuff ride. I think I've even seen ads with actual NRA endorsment, but I'll have to go back and check.

But your right, I have every issue of AR going back a while, I am pretty sure there was an actual feature done by an AR staff writer. These gun companies and gun writers are attached at the hip anyway, have you ever seen a bad review in AR...?
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There is someone selling one in the for sale forum now. He even posted in it "I had 2 gunsmiths look it over and they say its authentic" or something like that. I had to just walk away as I felt bad for him.
Mitchells is known for remarking everything to match, no one would want to pay that kind of money for a mismatched rifle. The certificate of authenticity and $1.50 will buy you a Pepsi at a convenience store.
they are nice for what they are, but I love my RC K-98 better. You can smell their history.
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It's the same as the computer "ragazines" who blather on about pre-announced versions of Microsoft Windows and what-not. The issue is advertising dollar$. If you say something bad about one of your big advertisers, they gradually pare down their ads in your publication and go somewhere else. There was a PC Magazine staffer who wrote an article not favorable to Windows 95. He was fired very shortly thereafter as an example "message" to the rest. All subsequent articles were glowing with praise for how Windows 95 will cure world hunger, etc.

It's the same with gun "ragazines". And that's why I don't bother with their so-called "reviews".

Now, if I wanted a relatively inexpensive shooter, I wouldn't buy a Mauser nowadays. Like M1903 Springfields, they've gotten just too expensive. Today, I'd buy a Mosin and a bunch of Combloc milsurp ammo, some Prvi Partizan Boxer/brass reloadable, and have fun. The collector, of course, is a different market.
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There is someone selling one in the for sale forum now. He even posted in it "I had 2 gunsmiths look it over and they say its authentic" or something like that. I had to just walk away as I felt bad for him.
Mitchells is known for remarking everything to match, no one would want to pay that kind of money for a mismatched rifle. The certificate of authenticity and $1.50 will buy you a Pepsi at a convenience store.
they are nice for what they are, but I love my RC K-98 better. You can smell their history.
Agreed. Just recently got mine, love it.
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I can probably find a Mauser type rifle cheaper than a Mitchells. And their reputation is crap, so that's another strike against them.
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I can probably find a Mauser type rifle cheaper than a Mitchells. And their reputation is crap, so that's another strike against them.

You can get real Mausers for less than that----maybe not collecting shape, but who ****ing cares? It's still more fun to actually shoot the damn things.
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wow just now heard about this? hmmmm stay away from Mitchells just take my word. ON EVERYTHING!!!

and they say they are ligit..haha!

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You can get real Mausers for less than that----maybe not collecting shape, but who ****ing cares? It's still more fun to actually shoot the damn things.
Yeah, I've seen them waaaay cheaper, I have my eye on a cheap Spanish Mauser, just to shoot. I like shooting 'em more than collecting, but it's gonna have to wait as my income doesn't allow me to grab one anytime soon.
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Ain't America great! Mitchel can sell what he wants and you can buy or not as you choose. You can even complain about it if you like.
But.....But........but.

Other guys make me feel stupid if I buy one!
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They're poser milsurp for poser people- those that couldn't be bothered to do any research before plunking down a sizable sum. I don't condone their lack of ethics in the least but a part of me remembers the adage of a fool and his money.
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They are the Franklin Mint of surplus rifles.

You get a ready made antique with a certificate of authenticity haha

Mitchell from what I read is a Serbian American PT Barnum, and is corrupting the former Yugoslav gun industry as I write this, with his manufacture of the new mini Mauser, by the original Yugo mauser gun makers, and other associated crap at jacket up prices.
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There is a magazine I ordered for two years called "Gun Tests"....I don't remember for sure now, but it probably didn't have a lot of C and R stuff in it. But, It Also Didn't have Any Advertisments!..So, The tests were Great!...They rate guns from A too F....and a lot of the name brand stuff got D's and F's on some items!
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My first rifle was a Mitchells M48 Mauser back in 2007.

Paid almost 400 dollars out the door after shipping, taxes, FFL (Firing Line HB) DROS, etc.

Overpaid? Hell Yes.

Would I buy from again? Probably not, as I am CR holder now and can disassemble and clean 98 Mausers in my sleep.

Bitter? No. I just wanted a Mauser 98 type rifle back then, cleaned and ready to shoot. I didnt care for the Nazi markings or collector value.
Yup I paid 350 back in the day for a yugo, with kit, and "matching" numbers.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that I can get easily what I paid for it now.
Remember when Mosin M44's were $89?
Remember when SKS's were $100-200 for a RUSSIAN? (now your lucky to see a chicom under $300!)
Given enough time, price gouging, and stupidity, and Mitchell's stuff will fetch collector prices. You watch.
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Old 07-05-2012, 8:04 AM
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Yup I paid 350 back in the day for a yugo, with kit, and "matching" numbers.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that I can get easily what I paid for it now.
Remember when Mosin M44's were $89?
Remember when SKS's were $100-200 for a RUSSIAN? (now your lucky to see a chicom under $300!)
Given enough time, price gouging, and stupidity, and Mitchell's stuff will fetch collector prices. You watch.
there are an whole bunch of "mitchells mausers" "listed" on gunbroker right now, notice I said listed and not "selling". if you sell it you are gonna have to hope for that sucker that doesnt know any better, actual collectors wont touch em. If you gave me a mitchells I would break it down and sell it for the parts as really thats all its worth
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