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Old 05-24-2012, 1:40 AM
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Default Tannerite+ground squirrels?

So i have 4lbs of tannerite and i now have the brilliant idea of smearing the container with peanut butter and doritos and put it on a squirrel hole. Wait 30 mins shoot it and cause mass squirrel death.

What could possibly go wrong? Specifically, is it illegal? I havent seen anything in the regs for binary explosives as a method of take or illegal method of take.
also whats the risk of setting the hills on fire with tannerite?
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Check on baiting if legal . We shot a couple hogs a few years ago and put hides and heads on top of 2 lbs and blew them all over 30 yard radius. That stuff is dangerous if to close. Haven't touched it since.
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So i have 4lbs of tannerite and i now have the brilliant idea of smearing the container with peanut butter and doritos and put it on a squirrel hole. Wait 30 mins shoot it and cause mass squirrel death.

What could possibly go wrong? Specifically, is it illegal? I havent seen anything in the regs for binary explosives as a method of take or illegal method of take.
also whats the risk of setting the hills on fire with tannerite?
If you do this, please take video!!!
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Bahahahaha YES!!! You need video if it's not illegal...
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HAha yes take a video
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LOL, +1 on video.
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no video! animal rights for squirrels america will be all over you in second!!
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who would do that to ground squirrels, because I would
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I've seen that done with artillery ground-burst simulators... Quite effective.
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It sounds like fun, but I think video of squirrels being blown up would be a bad idea, especially if you don't want tannerite to be outlawed. I know that they basically blow up when shot with a high powered rifle, but this can be taken differently.

That being said, speaking from experience, tannerite is always the right choice. ... and your not likely to catch anything on fire with it. Tannerite depleates the area of oxygen. You have to really try to make tannerite catch something on fire.
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I would suggest against it unless your not in Ca, i believe that stuff is big time illegal in Cali. I have heard you can face felony charges if its in your possession.
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I would suggest against it unless your not in Ca, i believe that stuff is big time illegal in Cali. I have heard you can face felony charges if its in your possession.
The general consensus is that it is only illegal if mixed and being used for any other purpose than a reactive target.

The two components are essentially the little white balls in cold packs and powdered aluminum as a catalyst. It's the proportions that are critical and that's what Tanner has patented.
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I doubt that it's big-time illegal because they use it on Top Gun which is filmed in CA.

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If you could get them to strap on a little tannerite filled vest...
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It sounds like fun, but I think video of squirrels being blown up would be a bad idea...
Agreed; we already have enough videos of bonehead gun owners doing stupid stuff which provides great ammo for the antis.
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I've seen that done with artillery ground-burst simulators... Quite effective.
So they put peanut butter on tannerite and people are drawn to it then the launch artillery to tannerite? haha... jk.



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I doubt that it's big-time illegal because they use it on Top Gun which is filmed in CA.
Except film permits can be had for just about anything.

I'm not saying that it is or isn't illegal but there are places selling it here in CA, and some ranges are allowing it to be shot.
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At first I thought illegal, not because of the Tannerite but because of the baiting. Tannerite is fine if you leave it unmixed until the time and place you are going to use it.

I knew there were laws against baiting but after a quick check it looks okay for squirrels. You can't bait "Resident Game Mammals" at all. But, you can bait for "Nongame Mammals" as long as you're not using dogs also.

So feel free, blow them to hell

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The general consensus is that it is only illegal if mixed and being used for any other purpose than a reactive target.
My guess is that "blowing the snot out of a squirrel" might be considered an "other purpose than a reactive target."
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My guess is that "blowing the snot out of a squirrel" might be considered an "other purpose than a reactive target."
Aww come on, when that tannerite explodes (reactive target one) I'm sure there will be a noticable response from Mr. Squirrel (reactive target two).
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Well i forgot about the baiting part so i will hold off for the time being. I am going to record it but its not going to be posted online, those that wish to see it when i do this should PM me or something to keep it private
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LOL I dont know if its legal but ...I like the way you think
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What could possibly go wrong? ...
This is one of those "famous last words" quotes, akin to "duck, what duck?" It is also often quoted on "funniest video" types of programs and sometimes on "Darwin award" web sites.

BTW, if you don't record it and post it, it didn't happen.
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So i have 4lbs of tannerite and i now have the brilliant idea of smearing the container with peanut butter and doritos and put it on a squirrel hole. Wait 30 mins shoot it and cause mass squirrel death.

What could possibly go wrong? Specifically, is it illegal? I havent seen anything in the regs for binary explosives as a method of take or illegal method of take.
also whats the risk of setting the hills on fire with tannerite?

And people wonder why gun owners and hunters get a bad rap. It is because of stupid stuff like this. Hate on me all you want, but that is just stupid. What are you, 12?
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And people wonder why gun owners and hunters get a bad rap. It is because of stupid stuff like this. Hate on me all you want, but that is just stupid. What are you, 12?
Nope, anyway its an idea, havent done this yet. I shoot the squirrels for cattle ranchers and it gets a little boring so just throwing out some ideas. Granted its not the greatest idea ever, i dont think its terrible either. Its a varmint like mice and rats im not blowing up a deer or turkey.
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Both you and I know it is a varmint, but if a video got out doing what you are talking it would give more ammo to the anti-gun folks. And the last thing a person needs to do is to provide more "ammo" for the anti-gun folk to get more laws passed.

It is not about being politically correct anymore, it is about what we do that will provide more ammo for the anti-gun folks. Myself and others have worked to hard to get gun laws over turned, only to have it thrown in our own faces by videos like what you are talking about. And no matter how hard you try to keep it private, it will get out one way or another.
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Nope, anyway its an idea, havent done this yet. I shoot the squirrels for cattle ranchers and it gets a little boring so just throwing out some ideas. Granted its not the greatest idea ever, i dont think its terrible either. Its a varmint like mice and rats im not blowing up a deer or turkey.
The antis don't see it that way. Don't give them to much credit for rationalizing.

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Both you and I know it is a varmint, but if a video got out doing what you are talking it would give more ammo to the anti-gun folks. And the last thing a person needs to do is to provide more "ammo" for the anti-gun folk to get more laws passed.

It is not about being politically correct anymore, it is about what we do that will provide more ammo for the anti-gun folks. Myself and others have worked to hard to get gun laws over turned, only to have it thrown in our own faces by videos like what you are talking about. And no matter how hard you try to keep it private, it will get out one way or another.
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Ok, no video then, now to find out if baiting the little guys is legal in the first place. (tall grass on the hillside hides them pretty well) tannerite looks to be out of the picture though
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The two components are essentially the little white balls in cold packs and powdered aluminum as a catalyst. It's the proportions that are critical and that's what Tanner has patented.
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im not a F&G regs guru but I wouldnt think that it violates any for baiting, since they are non game mammals and are considered rodents. section 475 (E) says that you cant use bait in conjunction with dogs, so as long as you dont use dogs I think you should be ok. I would think that it would be similar to baiting a rat trap, its just an explosive rat trap

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we use tannerite all the time. most gun shops sell it now. definitely not illegal here. me and my dad joked once about doing the same thing to coyotes down at our property. but squirrels... now thats just funny. and as far as baiting, i read what i could on the dfg site. i think you are good to go. and +1,000 on the filming of said event. heck i will dontate tannerite. and a camera. and ammo. haha
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Ya from my interpertation baiting squirrels is legal too. Ill follow up tomorrow with a call to one of the offices. The grass is way to high to see them tannerite or not. I just need to keep them in the open to plink. Not sure if using tannerite for them is legal though...
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