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Old 05-07-2012, 9:47 PM
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Question How many rounds can shotguns hold in CA?

Sorry about the question but don't know how many rounds you can hold in a shotgun.
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i would like to know also...
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I believe there are variables
10 in a pistol gripped semi auto
not sure if there is a limit on semi auto non pistol gripped shotguns
not sure if there is a limit on pump guns
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Anything 10 or under is totally legal except for certain types of hunting.

It is illegal to take an 8 round magazine and add an extension to make it over 10 rds. because then you just "manufactured" a high capacity magazine (over 10rds).

You can get more technical if you want but does that answer your question?
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I have a Mossberg 590A1, It holds 8 in the tube +1 in the chamber making it 9, with a speed feed stock for an additional 4 making the total 13 rds. "If" I were to place a side saddle on it, there could be an additional 6 rds making the new total 19 rds. Also I could put an ammo bandolier on it that could hold an additional 25 rds, making the new total 44 rds. This configuration would render it way to heavy.

There are many manufactures that make tube extensions to increase the amount of shells you could carry in a shotgun.
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I have a Mossberg 590A1, It holds 8 in the tube +1 in the chamber making it 9, with a speed feed stock for an additional 4 making the total 13 rds. "If" I were to place a side saddle on it, there could be an additional 6 rds making the new total 19 rds. Also I could put an ammo bandolier on it that could hold an additional 25 rds, making the new total 44 rds. This configuration would render it way to heavy.

There are many manufactures that make tube extensions to increase the amount of shells you could carry in a shotgun.
What? Sidesaddles and speedfeed stocks aren't the same thing as a magazine tube. It's not even remotely a legal issue.

The problem with the magazine capacity laws and shotguns, is that shot shells come in different lengths, which can make a drastic difference regarding capacity of the magazine tube. No one has an answer for that yet. More specifically the problem is, does an 8+1 shotgun you bought actually hold 8+1 if you use aguila mini shot shells that are only 1.75"? What about a 10 shell magazine tube that holds 10 3.5" shells, what happens when you use 2.75" shells?"

At least I can only assume that's what the OP is concerned about.

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For hunting its 2+1

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No limit per say if you have a preban magazine or tube.

If you don't allready legally posses the "large-capacity magazine" then the magazine law applies.

This applies to both box and tube magazines.

So if you attached a tube over 10 rounds you would be manufacturing a large capacity magazine


When Hunting you are limited to 3 shells.
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(b) Shotguns capable of holding not more than three shells firing single slugs may be used for the taking of deer, bear and wild pigs. In areas where the discharge of rifles or shotguns with slugs is prohibited by county ordinance, shotguns capable of holding not more than three shells firing size 0 or 00 buckshot may be used for the taking of deer only.
And before someone says otherwise shotgun tube magazines are not exempt from the magazine law.
Only 22 tubes and Lever tubes are exempt. Not Shotguns! (Unless its a lever action shotgun )

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(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.
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Sorry about the question but don't know how many rounds you can hold in a shotgun.
10 rounds legally in a clipped mag shotgun.
Don't believe there is a limit for tube mag shotguns.

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I want to get it in 12gauge. But can we really hold 8 rounds in a tube?
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I believe the 10 round limit only applies to semi-autos. Pump guns are restricted only by practical limits, and, having shot a 13-round Beretta, your willingness to hoist several pounds of ammo hanging under the barrel.
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I believe the 10 round limit only applies to semi-autos. Pump guns are restricted only by practical limits, and, having shot a 13-round Beretta, your willingness to hoist several pounds of ammo hanging under the barrel.
So there is no limit of how many rounds you can hold in a 12 gauge then right? Also What shotgun should I get? Mossberg 590A1 or remington 870 security model?
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I saw a KSG for sale in the bay area so I'm not so sure.
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In a tube mag??

One billion.

There's no such "10 round limit" in CA for tube mags. There's no such thing as manufacturing an illegal "hi-cap" tube magazine.

Prove me wrong....
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I want to get it in 12gauge. But can we really hold 8 rounds in a tube?
Yea. A 590 with a 20" barrel should be able to hold 8+1. Meaning 8 in the tube, + 1 in the chamber.
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So there is no limit of how many rounds you can hold in a 12 gauge then right? Also What shotgun should I get? Mossberg 590A1 or remington 870 security model?
There really is no easy way to answer this. You really need to test shoot both shotguns to see which one suits you best.
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In a tube mag??

One billion.

There's no such "10 round limit" in CA for tube mags. There's no such thing as manufacturing an illegal "hi-cap" tube magazine.

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(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.
Unless we're talking about lever action shotguns, it would seem that "large-capacity magazine" can apply to shotgun magazine tubes.

Of course there's still the idiocy of trying to enforce that due to varying ammunition lengths like I previously mentioned.
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Yea. A 590 with a 20" barrel should be able to hold 8+1. Meaning 8 in the tube, + 1 in the chamber.
wow I can not believe we can own a 8+1 shotgun in California. Thanks guys for the help. And I'm also going to test out the 870 and 590A1 like you said.
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Interesting. Gonna wait for someone who hasn't been up for 48 hours to respond.
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Sorry I proved you wrong before you even posted

As I allready posted and Merc referenced

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(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
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(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.
They excluded 22cal tubes and lever action tubes.

They did not exclude pump and semi auto tubes on shotguns.
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Interesting. Gonna wait for someone who hasn't been up for 48 hours to respond.
I'm not sure what difference it would make if someone has been up for 48 hours, or who you're even talking about

edit: I didn't even notice that Chaos47 posted that first, still seems to be correct unless there's something else buried in the PC or something we don't know about.

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I have a Mossberg 590A1, It holds 8 in the tube +1 in the chamber making it 9, with a speed feed stock for an additional 4 making the total 13 rds. "If" I were to place a side saddle on it, there could be an additional 6 rds making the new total 19 rds. Also I could put an ammo bandolier on it that could hold an additional 25 rds, making the new total 44 rds. This configuration would render it way to heavy.

There are many manufactures that make tube extensions to increase the amount of shells you could carry in a shotgun.
Do you know if Big 5 will have an Mossberg 590A1 12 gauge with a 8+1 round tube?
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I'm not sure what difference it would make if someone has been up for 48 hours, or who you're even talking about

edit: I didn't even notice that Chaos47 posted that first, still seems to be correct unless there's something else buried in the PC or something we don't know about.
It meant that I was tired and my brain wasn't working as well as I'd like. Thank you for your response.
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No big 5 does not and will not carry the 590a1. Its to pricey for them. They have 590's that will hold 8+1 but there are big differences between the 2 models.
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Do you know if Big 5 will have an Mossberg 590A1 12 gauge with a 8+1 round tube?
Go to a gun shop, not Big 5. There is also a 590 model, verse the 590A1. It's whether or not you want to spend the extra $$$ for the metal verse polymer trigger guard and safety toggle switch. Quite a few gun shops around here carry the 590 in stock and not the 590A1.

There maybe a legal limit on the mag tube in CA.
This is the 2nd gun shop that I've been to that's said the Kel-Tec KSG is NOT legal in CA. I'm not sure if that's due to the 14+1 rounds (7+7+1) dual mag tubes (presume so) or another reason (politics).

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ht=Kel+Tec+KSG
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No big 5 does not and will not carry the 590a1. Its to pricey for them. They have 590's that will hold 8+1 but there are big differences between the 2 models.
What's the different of the 2?
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Banelli MX2I @1:45 26 rd semi


Picked up mu 590A1 @ Ammo Bros Ontario for those who were wondering.
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Forget about this one 7 + 7 + 1 = 15 rds

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Do you know if Big 5 will have an Mossberg 590A1 12 gauge with a 8+1 round tube?
**** Big 5, if you're in the bay area go to Tracy Rifle and Pistol if you want a deal on a 590A1. Buddy just got his 18.5" one a few weeks ago for about $520 with speed feed, heavy barrel, and ghost ring sight. That's at least $200 under retail. Great service to boot! I believe the difference between the 590 and 590a1 has to do with the A1 having a much more heavy duty barrel, and action/fcg is 100% metal. The normal 590 has plastic trigger guard and such. Basically the difference between getting a full mil spec shotgun (590A1) and a fancied up 500.
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"How many rounds can shotguns hold in CA"

I think If EVERYONE in California loaded their shotguns, I would guess ? Hmmmm 50 Million?
But that is just a guess........
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I believe the Kel-Tec KSG, because it uses two tubes with a manual selector to switch between them, is CA legal. Unfortunately the XRAIL doesn't qualify even though it has multiple tubes because combined it is a single ammunition feeding device. Unless you're LEO in which case cap bans don't apply.
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there is no limit but any holding more than ten may cause you to do some explaining on how you got a magazine that didn't exist prior to 2000
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Kel tec is a pump so the laws different than a semi with a pistol grip.
Pistol grip and hi cap equal no-no as told to me by Turner's, law wise.
The X-Rail needs to be turned manually I think?
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no limit for tube fed firearms. and for a defense gun (barrel 18 1/2in) there is no limit, but for a sporting shotgun while hunting, you are limited to a 2+1
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Why are people still posting the wrong answer.. amazing.
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no limit for tube fed firearms. and for a defense gun (barrel 18 1/2in) there is no limit, but for a sporting shotgun while hunting, you are limited to a 2+1
wow, just wow. so all defense guns have 18.5" barrels? (my 20" 590A1 would beg to differ.) and there's NO limit to their magazine capacities, despite the actual statutes to the contrary cited previously? what about sporting shotguns while NOT hunting?


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