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Old 05-06-2012, 9:57 AM
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Old 05-06-2012, 10:04 AM
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just found this: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=425953
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Old 05-06-2012, 11:25 AM
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Thanks Ridkick, I just found that site before your post. There's alot of info, where should I start?
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OP- I was in the same boat as you. Wanted a Rem 870 Police SG because of the better quality. I found the Express that I liked for less as I knew Remington would stand behind their product as needed and the new 870 Express would last me a lifetime.

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Old 05-06-2012, 11:53 AM
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I guess I should ask; never having shot one any good people/places to learn from/at??
What kinda of fun games and practice should I look into?

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sounds like you want to do tactical classes. find a tactical class near you. you can find them listed in the competiton and training forum. more specifically, the subforum of training announcements.

i'm going to take my 870 to the low light tactical class with TASC on 5/12 at ASR. may take the 930 jm pro along for the fun too.
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aippi, 12/05/2011, #6
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Use the search feature as there are dozens of threads.

You are wrong Hop Sing, Every Express, every single one ever build is a 3" magnum receiver, every single one. Well except for the 3.5" super Magnums. So there has never been a non magnum Express model. So why state one of the difference between the Express and Police is that the Police is a Magnum when every Express ever made is on a magnum receiver????????????

where have you been for the past few years. All 870's come with the Orange High viz follower. All 870's come with the 4-5 pound sear spring including the P models. Remington stopped installing the 8 pound sear years ago.

One last time people. That pasted link is out of date and incorrecet.

The detent issue is only for 4+1 shot weapons as all the Express models that come with tube extension have the exact same tube as the P and Wingmaster and the barrels have the detent ball retainer for the mag cap.

Next thing you are going to claim there are no MIM parts in the Police model.........and all 870's, very one of them have MIM parts in them. So, yes the Express comes with a MIM extractor and that is the only different part then the P that cost different. All Express barrels cost more then P barrels, all of them. The 18.5" bead sight that comes on the Express HD cost $134, yet the 18.5" bead sight that comes on the P model cost $101. That is right, the Express barrel cost $33 more then the Police barrel.

Go to www.remington.com and click on Support, the parts, then down load the part list. You will find only one of each part that goes into an 870 for most all the internal parts. That is because every 870 has the exact same parts, except for one or two small parts. For example the only internal parts difference in the P is the Extractor ($7) and the carrier dog follower spring and that spring is $3.20 and the sliver one in all other 870 is also $3.20. Since the black one use in the P model does enhance the action of the carrier and cost the same as the siliver one use in all other models, why does Remington not use the black in all 870's. The answer is that they lose the Marketing for the P model as all the other parts are the same. So, they do not put the best part in your Express, Tactical or Wingmaster even though it cost the same just so they can Market on the P model. Shame on them.

I am not going to stay on this topic as it is beat to death on these blogs. Use the search feature and you can find all the post. Many Post go into the lack of differences in these models and the fact that there is only one 870 and they only differ by finish, furniture and a couple small parts. I know these weapons as well as anyone on this site and have no reason to present false information to you. How is it that people refuse the truth when it is placed infront of them and even refuse to verify the facts for themself?
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Damn! That's a lot of knowledge there! Thank you

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Would like advice regarding the Remington 870 Police Shotgun;

Second hand (it would be a "tool" to be used, need practice, games, survival (small game?, Defense, HD). However, I do like a wood stock!
If you find one with a wood stock, snag it as Remington has pretty much stopped doing wood stocks on a lot of the 870 line.

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What barrel length (short but still very useful. If my world goes "south" can I/ should I replace the barrel with a 14-16 ins.?).
870P models come with either an 18.5 inch barrel or a 20 inch barrel. Either of those is more than very useful. You could replace with a shorter barrel, however that would be a felony in California. The chances are fairly remote of things going south to the point where you are going to get away with sporting an SBS'ed 870 for very long.

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What sights would you suggest?
The plain bead they are most often issued with is plenty good, particularly if you are a novice shotgunner.

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Slings? Thing I would like that option for outdoor survival.
Simpler is better, I run a very basic Blackhawk sling, when I have one on my 870.

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Finish? Does this make a difference?
An 870P comes parkerized from the factory. That's the best, most durable finish and just needs a bit of oil applied occasionally. An Express model has a less sophisticated finish, but with regular maintenance it will last fine. A Wingmaster is polished blue and the Marine model (as in ocean) is hard chromed.

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And, I guess this is a bigy, a price range to consider; from almost brand new to police trade-in???
A new Express on sale at Big 5 is $359 - $379. A brand new 870P will set you back $700+, perhaps more. Police trade ins can be very much a mixed lot as far as quality. My 870P was an agency turn in, and was in remarkably good shape. It looks like it spent much of it's career locked in the car, and was shot very little. Others I've seen have ranged from well used and maintained properly down to beat to death.

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Also, please answer questions a should have asked. I have never used or owned a shotgun and I believe I would enjoy a nice o/u. The problem is if my world turned up-side down I would want to cut the o/u barrel down to 16 ins. or 18 ins.
What's with the fascination for committing a felony? Cutting down the barrel of any o/u is a fool's errand.... not recommended at all. There is no good reason to chop the barrel on a shotgun in your garage with a hacksaw. Maybe in the movies, not in the real world. You should consider signing up for a basic shotgun course and get a feel for them before you go about chopping barrels when SHTF.

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What is a practical number of rounds for the 870 police shotgun, probably more than 2, but at some point the number of rounds will effect handling.
870P has a magazine capacity of 4 rounds as issued. The can be extended out to as far as ten, practically, with a +6 magazine extension. A +2 mag extension goes to about flush with the muzzle of an 18.5 inch barrel. A +3 goes to about flush with a 20 inch barrel. A +4 goes to about flush with a 22 inch barrel, and so on.

For what it's worth, the 870P I own for home defense is an 18.5 inch barrel, with a plain bead sight and a Scattergun Technologies / Wilson +2 extension. That gives me six rounds in the mag. I have a side saddle mounted on the receiver which gives me six more. That is how I set up guns when I was in LE, and I find it to be a good trade off between length, weight and capacity.

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Many Thanks, where can I find more info.?
Use the search tool in this forum.
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FWIW- River City Guns in Sac might have some used 870Ps in stock. I have seen two recent police units there recently.
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Thanks "BigDogatPlay"

I have not worked in a very long time and my mind needs to solve non-existent problems. I enjoy learning from very knowledgeable people; actually my mind craves it.
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This brings up an interesting point
Constructive possesion on a barrel

Is having a sub 18" barrel for a Remington 870 illegal if you do not own a SBS or AOW here in Ca?
No I do not plan on testing the waters but merely want to know
I know with AR's having a sub 16" upper and without having a pistol/SBR/AOW lower is constructive possesion
Does the same apply to shotguns even if the part is not installed

NO I do not suggest this but from a legal stand point would it be illegal?
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This brings up an interesting point
Constructive possesion on a barrel

Is having a sub 18" barrel for a Remington 870 illegal if you do not own a SBS or AOW here in Ca?
No I do not plan on testing the waters but merely want to know
I know with AR's having a sub 16" upper and without having a pistol/SBR/AOW lower is constructive possesion
Does the same apply to shotguns even if the part is not installed

NO I do not suggest this but from a legal stand point would it be illegal?
Not 100% sure, but if you have a receiver that accepts that barrel it could well be a problem.
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What's the pro's & con's of these barrels offered by AIP Tactical Combat; 18.5" & 20"? Is the 18.5" barrel much more useful for a self-defense/survival shotgun? Is being able to shoot slugs important? I have a 1911 45 acp and hope to be somewhat proficient with it. Also would practice and take class for the shotgun. The shotgun training may be more important for me since I do not have a clue how to use one well!!!

Question; do some ranges require shotguns to have barrels 20" and longer?

Has anyone had any problems "short-stroking" (jamming) the Remington 870??
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Any informed thought regarding "AI&P Tactical" HD/Duty I&II and Police I? I do not want or need a pistol grip, tacti-cool, mall-nigi shotgun. I could just get a Remington 870 Police (and tune-it, replace a few parts). However the AI&P may just have a good warranty and be hand fitted by someone that knows what he's doing.
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Not 100% sure, but if you have a receiver that accepts that barrel it could well be a problem.
my thinking also
I will shoot a message to someone more knowledgible than I about the topic

my thinking is along the lines of constructive possesion on an AR upper that is short
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I have not worked in a very long time and my mind needs to solve non-existent problems. I enjoy learning from very knowledgeable people; actually my mind craves it.
Your questions have been asked/answered a bunch...for homework, study Aippi's site, go back about 15 pages on this forum and read, and try the same thing over at the firing line.

Feds would consider a <18" shotgun barrel to be problematic (they call it 'constructive posession') if you also have a shotgun it would fit, whether or not you fit it. Chances of being caught probably nil if you keep the barrel hidden and stop posting about it. IF you are caught, it's a major federal felony. Calguns.net suggests you stay legal.

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eta...you can always get the plastic stock and buy wood at any time...no problem finding wood furniture for an 870.
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