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Old 04-24-2012, 10:58 PM
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is there such thing as a shotgun shell that has rock salt or sea salt in the shell as opposed to BB's or a slug?
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Rock salt shells always reminds me of a scene from a particular James Bond film...

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looks like you gotta be pretty close to the bad guy if you wana inflict pain.
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Rock salt shells always reminds me of a scene from a particular James Bond film...

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I remember my mom loading up an old Benjamin .22 pellet gun with rock salt to shoot a dog that wouldn't let her get to her truck. Now I'm not sure if it actually stung the dog or if it was simply the *pop* that got him to run.
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The sell them at the same shop that got them porcelain Glocks.
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Roll your own, might be more interesting to make your own bean bag rounds, but I still don't know why. I don't point guns at things I don't want to destroy.
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From the box o' truth link posted earlier:

"I've also heard that some folks used to use this load to run off "bums" and beggars in the old days, during the Depression."

Every thing I've seen about salt shells is that they're mostly used to "scare off" trespassers and the like without hurting them too badly. They're not meant to kill or wound the target too badly. Not something I would want to be using if someone wanted to do me bodily harm.
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You would probably have to roll your own using a black powder charge. In the early 90s, a friend and I rolled our own by dumping the shot charge of loaded smokeless ammo. It didn't work too well (slt is too light)- it left a bunch of unburnt powder in the barrel, and went of with a 'poof' instead of a BANG. I think the light weight doesn't build enough pressure for smokeless to work.

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is there such thing as a shotgun shell that has rock salt or sea salt in the shell as opposed to BB's or a slug?
You'll have to load your own, but why? There is no reasonable use for such shells, IMO.
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You would probably have to roll your own using a black powder charge. In the early 90s, a friend and I rolled our own by dumping the shot charge of loaded smokeless ammo. It didn't work too well (slt is too light)- it left a bunch of unburnt powder in the barrel, and went of with a 'poof' instead of a BANG. I think the light weight doesn't build enough pressure for smokeless to work.

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I remember trying this many years ago and got the same result.

I believe that if you used black powder, you would get a lot more velocity out of the rock salt, probably would pepper you good. Probably something used in the black powder days.

Just like smelling a gun to see if it had been recently shot. Something from the black powder days. You're not going to be able to smell a smokeless firearm to see if it had been shot , if you can, the TSA could use you.

I laugh when I see it occasionally on a TV show where a Detective will pickup a revolver, open the cylinder, smell it and say "It's been recently fired".
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When my dad was about 10, his cousins took him out to raid a watermelon patch. Let's just say that my dad learned what rock salt out of a 12g felt like. So, yea, it's been used for years.
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You'll have to load your own, but why? There is no reasonable use for such shells, IMO.
What if you want to scare off bums?
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If you can find the old ljutic wads or hard paper wads and use 12 grains of green dot use 3/4" of wads tamped hard and kosher salt it is good to about 15 yards. Hurts like hell and wound is hard to deal with. gives a lasting memory to trespassers
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I've had a few debates with my brother about this.

If you point a gun at someone and pull the trigger you are hopefully in defense of your life and protecting yourself, thus you are shooting to stop. In which case you want your gun loaded with the round best suited for stopping an attacker in that situation. I can't imagine a situation where rock salt would be that round. I Imagine the cup would hurt more than the salt at anything more than point blank range.

If you want a noise maker to scare someone off you'll do just as well with blanks. Hell, even a loud airhorn would scare off anyone likely to be scared off by your noise-maker shotgun, and would be about as useful in defending yourself on someone who wouldn't be dissuaded by noise.

A good one would be to wire speakers in our front yard on remote that would play a per-recorded police siren really loud, that'll scare em off. Then you won't even have to deal with those pesky guns.

Anyway, no, I don't know where you can buy rock salt shotgun shells.
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I wonder if you can use these rock salt shells for tactical cooking?
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You can- to an extent. The smell wears off in 45 mins to a couple hours, quicker if you leave the action open and there's a wind blowing.

Black powder guns.. You can smell those things for days (then they rust if not cleaned!). The old black powder stank horribly.

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I wonder if you can use these rock salt shells for tactical cooking?
I'd volunteer to help in the kitchen.... just whenever salt was needed though
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I thought the recipe was rock salt and nails... I'm pretty sure that's what that grumpy old farmer shot at us
but that was a long time ago
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I'm looking into it because a friend of mine just moved into my neighborhood (like 2 blocks away) in the area where the san bruno pipeline explosion was and she has had her house broken into on 2 occasions. Someone knew this house was empty for sometime and they r comin in for stuff so I've been think of gettn a shotgun for personal defense and loaded it with 1 salt round and then followed by either buck shots or slugs. It just REALLY pisses me off hearin people r still tryin to steal from people who just went through a rough event.
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I'd really like to catch this a hole or put him through some SERIOUS pain.
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I'd really like to catch this a hole or put him through some SERIOUS pain.
Plan on getting sued. You should never use less than lethal rounds from a gun (unless you are trained LEO). A using a gun is always considered lethal force, if you use less than lethal rounds, obviously lethal force was not necessary. Say goodbye to your stuff and hello to your cell mate bubba.
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Rock salt was used and immortalized in movies as a skat round. It was most always used in a s/s, hammer black powder shotgun. Never in a cartridge/shell gun.
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How in the world would I get sued because some low life a hole broke into my house to steal stuff and I shot him with a less lethal round? I just don't see how ANYONE could be in the wrong?! Your in YOUR house minding YOUR own business and if your a regular tax paying, law abiding civilian, your going to get sued because you didn't want to kill the guy but if your a LEO its ok? I just
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How in the world would I get sued because some low life a hole broke into my house to steal stuff and I shot him with a less lethal round? I just don't see how ANYONE could be in the wrong?! Your in YOUR house minding YOUR own business and if your a regular tax paying, law abiding civilian, your going to get sued because you didn't want to kill the guy but if your a LEO its ok? I just
I think what Repubconserv was saying that you shouldn't fire on someone if they're not a lethal threat to you. By using non-lethal rounds your basically saying he was not a threat but I chose to shoot him anyways. I think that is when you get sued.
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How in the world would I get sued because some low life a hole broke into my house to steal stuff and I shot him with a less lethal round? I just don't see how ANYONE could be in the wrong?! Your in YOUR house minding YOUR own business and if your a regular tax paying, law abiding civilian, your going to get sued because you didn't want to kill the guy but if your a LEO its ok? I just
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One word. California.
That was informative.

If an assailant does not imminently threaten yours or your family's/companions life, you can not use lethal force. To discharge a gun at an assailant, no matter the load, you are exercising lethal force.

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Easy to roll your own: open the plastic case; pour out the pellets; pour in the rock salt.
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Easy to roll your own: open the plastic case; pour out the pellets; pour in the rock salt.
Bad advice. The powder/wad is too hot for a light payload such as rock salt.
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If you use less then lethal force plan to get sued??????????? that is one of the most incorrect things I have ever read on this site..

I was a Def-Tec instructor for these munitions and therefor qualified to point out that incorrect statement. Any munition from any weapon that you are calling Less then Lethal is what we called "specialty impact munitions". It is no different then a baton. It is simply a rubber, wood or foam projectile. So in your comment you are saying that I will be sued for hitting a threat against me with rubber, foam or wood instead of lead.

Do you people even think about what you post???????????
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is there such thing as a shotgun shell that has rock salt or sea salt in the shell as opposed to BB's or a slug?
Not sure about now, but there sure was, as my, umm, lower back can attest to. The damn thing gets under the skin and itches like hell for some time, until it gets dissolved.
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If you use less then lethal force plan to get sued??????????? that is one of the most incorrect things I have ever read on this site..

I was a Def-Tec instructor for these munitions and therefor qualified to point out that incorrect statement. Any munition from any weapon that you are calling Less then Lethal is what we called "specialty impact munitions". It is no different then a baton. It is simply a rubber, wood or foam projectile. So in your comment you are saying that I will be sued for hitting a threat against me with rubber, foam or wood instead of lead.

Do you people even think about what you post???????????
I was under the impression that anything that spit out a projectile by force of an explosion was a gun... even if it shot potatoes.
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My Grandfather (God rest) used to light up when he told the story of being peppered with rock salt while stealing watermelons in his youth..........
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my mom shot a crackhead with rocksalt out of a single shot shot gun. it works.
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They're called frivolous lawsuits and they are out there.
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