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Old 04-23-2012, 11:17 AM
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I had an idea since I like to put a lot of rounds down range but I hate when my barrel overheats.

Do you think it's a good idea to put heat exhaust wrap around my ak barrel under the gas tube and in the lower handguard?

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If I understand you, you want to wrap the barrel so that you can't feel the heat, as opposed to finding a way to dissipate the heat faster?

If so, I wouldn't recommend it. A barrel that gets hot is going to be less accurate; if you're shooting an AK you can't afford to lose any. Also, containing the heat is only going to extend the cooling time, and it could possibly harm the barrel if it got higher than its design parameters.
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Wrapping your barrel would cause the barrel to heat up faster, probably get it hotter given the same amount of use, and slow its ability to cool off. Why would you want to do that?
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Why do you think they made a forward grip lower hand guard?
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That heat you feel coming off your barrel is a good thing, that is the barrel cooling down. If you put something like exhaust wrap over the barrel you are insulating the barrel and it will heat up faster and stay hot longer, though you will feel less heat on your hands. If all you care about is the comfort of your hands then ya wrap away.
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if i didn't want to feel the heat I'd wear gloves, no pun intended

read this article or product...
http://www.jscspeed.com/catalog/Ther...ies-386-1.html

my thinking is that it would abosorb the heat making the barrel cooler a little bit longer
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ok that's enough votes, i won't do it hahaha
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is it bad to pour water on it to cool it down?
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There is no free lunch.

These tapes are used to keep the interior engine bay temps down. Heat wash is an issue that can raise intake temperatures that rob horsepower. Wrapping the exhaust means you are limiting by some degree the radiant heat of the exhaust manifold in the engine bay. However your headers will get very hot, but then headers are meant to be very hot.

Applying this to rifle barrels is actually the wrong direction to go in. You want your barrel to wash off its heat more actually if possible. Think it through.

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my thinking is that it would abosorb the heat making the barrel cooler a little bit longer
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bend it so it is a 'spikey' circle, like a sun symbol and wrap them around the round parts that get hot.

Thus they would be going the opposite direction of this Thompson and going same direction as "fluted".

But note this guy says it don't do much good, but I think it would conduct a lot of heat.
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I know there are some old school machine vibs that had water cooling barrel shrouds so it's not bad in every instance. But I imagine that cools evenly. pouring water on there might not be a good idea.
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Out of curiosity, how fast are you shooting it? These barrels were made with full auto at 600 rnds/min in mind.
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It depends on how hot it is. You don't put it on the car engine, as there're other things there that can be ruined by water (contacts, etc.), and because you gotta be careful with all the hot steam that'll produce. However, it shouldn't affect heat treating and tempering of the metal, unless it's at the temperature where it's affected whether you put water on it or not.
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Out of curiosity, how fast are you shooting it? These barrels were made with full auto at 600 rnds/min in mind.
You wouldn't want to touch the barrel after a full auto magdump, either. If you're at the range and your gun is cool enough to touch with a bare hand, you need to shoot some more
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don't pour water on your barrel, it might cause the steel to fatigue or crack. Even if you are shooting a lot of rounds through your gun, isn't that kind of unnecessary? AKs are horrible when it comes to accuracy, are you just looking to spray? IMHO, I like shooting my guns, not spraying.
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ive got my ak pretty hot before its easy in just four 30 round mags fired off in 2 minutes

it takes a while for it to cool
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You wouldn't want to touch the barrel after a full auto magdump, either. If you're at the range and your gun is cool enough to touch with a bare hand, you need to shoot some more
That you wouldn't, but I wasn't suggesting touching it, either. That's what handguards and forward grips are for.
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It's not hot until the handguards go up in flames
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don't pour water on your barrel, it might cause the steel to fatigue or crack ...
.... OP jus wait for an iceberg so both you & your AK can SINK like the TITANIC ....

... and after adding the 'heat exhaust wrap' how about a cappuccino cup holder next to that barrel, jus to keep that succa warm while shooting ...

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... Even if you are shooting a lot of rounds through your gun, isn't that kind of unnecessary? AKs are horrible when it comes to accuracy, are you just looking to spray? IMHO, I like shooting my guns, not spraying.
wha ?!!! ... AK's are 'horrible for accuracy'?! Just exactly who's doing that kinda shooting? Gotta be someone like THIS GUY:




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Too hot to handle? Just whip out the wanger and take a leak on it. The smell of burnt urine really gets the nasal passages clear and clears out the shooting lanes next to you
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If I had a burrito I wanted to eat for lunch but didn't want to eat it cold I would wrap that tape around the burrito onto the barrel. After about 500 rounds downrange I would take a break and eat my nice toasty warm burrito.
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I thought you were supposed to do that DOWN the barrel. Have I been doing it wrong all these years?
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You want to remove heat from the barrel. Air works well but a liquid works better, the problem is unless you have a constant flow of water to remove the heat, you risk thermal shock to the barrel. That could warp and or cause any defects in the barrel material to show up pretty quickly. Pour hot water on a cold winsheild with a tiny crack and see what happens. Your best bet is punch more holes in your handguard to allow the air to remove the heat.
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You want to remove heat from the barrel. Air works well but a liquid works better, the problem is unless you have a constant flow of water to remove the heat, you risk thermal shock to the barrel. That could warp and or cause any defects in the barrel material to show up pretty quickly. Pour hot water on a cold winsheild with a tiny crack and see what happens. Your best bet is punch more holes in your handguard to allow the air to remove the heat.
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I thought you were supposed to do that DOWN the barrel. Have I been doing it wrong all these years?
Can't do it down the barrell since i have horrible aim
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Just so its out there. most header wraps attract water and moisture.

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Out of curiosity, how fast are you shooting it? These barrels were made with full auto at 600 rnds/min in mind.
i am probably shooting 80 rounds per minute and shooting 1000 rounds. not spraying but plinking at 50 yards
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haha yes i did and i almost had to take summer school for it, almost failed. however, the following years when i took bio and anatomy/physiology, i passed every test and was one of the top students in my class. i just had a bad phys sci teacher, RIP his soul tho
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Do NOT wrap your barrel or just dump water onto the barrel, you know unless you wanna screw up your gun.
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I had an idea since I like to put a lot of rounds down range but I hate when my barrel overheats.

Do you think it's a good idea to put heat exhaust wrap around my ak barrel under the gas tube and in the lower handguard?

Please give me your opinion before I do something stupid

Don't do it! Your rifle is air cooled so if it gets too hot just stop lock the bolt back and let it sit for 5 minutes or so. Remember yourin California and not in Alaska

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Don't do it! Your rifle is air cooled so if it gets too hot just stop lock the bolt back and let it sit for 5 minutes or so. Remember yourin California and not in Alaska

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Did you ever notice in the photos of guys shooting AKs that a lot of them have a rag in their left hand. This is to keep your hand from burning. I have tried it and it works quite well.
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Gil, its an AK. Run it until it catches fire. Glove your left hand if heat begins to alter the way you grip the front of the rifle.

.....and dont pour water on your rifle.
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Gil, its an AK. Run it until it catches fire. Glove your left hand if heat begins to alter the way you grip the front of the rifle.

.....and dont pour water on your rifle.
if it catches fire i will light a cigarette with it and make sure you take my pic
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Would you ever put water on hot car engine?
How do you think they get cooled? Water flows through the engine.
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