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Old 02-24-2012, 5:37 AM
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4 months! What a difference. I didn't hear a thing for almost 6 months after applying. Is anyone else seeing improvements like that?
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Much more streamlined. The GC, GMC area still needs attention. We can see what approved GC is, we just need to see if ability to own/transfer/purchase/use a fiream is GMC
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Interview is tomorrow..

I have to say..I'm a little nervous..not worried..just nervous..
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Interview is tomorrow..

I have to say..I'm a little nervous..not worried..just nervous..
Relax, it's not a bad process. My interview was positive beyond my expectations. The resulting denials were a big letdown for me.

I hope to re-apply again at the end of March.

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Is there anything that I should take to make for less legwork?
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Is there anything that I should take to make for less legwork?
Just follow the procedure posted at the VCSO website.

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Start to finish, the process took ~20 minutes.

Records clerk looked over my paperwork..copied my DL..asked me for the fees..fingerprinted me and sent me on my way..

She said it takes about 4 weeks to get a response from the BG and fingerprinting..



Overall..

Picked up my application for CCW on Thursday, February 23
Had my appointment for CCW on Thursday, March 1
By the end of March, I should hear the decision

Thats a pretty fast turn-around
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That is an encouraging improvement.
I just moved from a shall-issue state (Pennsylvania) and I find the situation here surreal. I read the Ventura County Sheriff's SEVEN pages of instructions for applying for full use of my fundamental right under the Constitution. It's apparent we have made a huge amount of progress, but the mere fact that anyone requires seven pages of instructions to explain to me to how to go about realizing my rights is a bit of a shock to my system.
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I applied along with my wife using previous good cause statements, as they are applicable to us. We were told by the interviewers that we probably would not get our licenses and that we should not move forward. We did anyways... not I am just waiting for our denial letter in the mail. I plan on appealing... I have no faith that anyone who is not an LEO is going to get a LTC in this county. I was told by the Oxnard PD that unless you are retired LEO that you are NOT going to get a LTC, and that you have absolutely no reason to have one.
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A year ago, based on the lawsuit and everyone's talking i really thought Ventura Country was going to be much different in a positive way. Looks like the only thing that happened is the noose got tightened. The road to denial is faster and more streamlined. My wife and I were anxiously awaiting to apply and now we're mostly just waiting to move out of the state.
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I applied along with my wife using previous good cause statements, as they are applicable to us. We were told by the interviewers that we probably would not get our licenses and that we should not move forward. We did anyways... not I am just waiting for our denial letter in the mail. I plan on appealing... I have no faith that anyone who is not an LEO is going to get a LTC in this county. I was told by the Oxnard PD that unless you are retired LEO that you are NOT going to get a LTC, and that you have absolutely no reason to have one.

Did you apply to The Sheriff or Oxnard PD?
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A year ago, based on the lawsuit and everyone's talking i really thought Ventura Country was going to be much different in a positive way. Looks like the only thing that happened is the noose got tightened. The road to denial is faster and more streamlined. My wife and I were anxiously awaiting to apply and now we're mostly just waiting to move out of the state.
Has anyone posted that they were denied under the new system?
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Yes, there have been denials. The question is, with identical good cause statements to already approved, which of the denials are going to lawyer up and challenge the VCSO. Will administration follow suit w/ Sacramento and realize they are in a losing battle limiting civil rights unconstitutionally.
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Start to finish, the process took ~20 minutes.

Records clerk looked over my paperwork..copied my DL..asked me for the fees..fingerprinted me and sent me on my way..

She said it takes about 4 weeks to get a response from the BG and fingerprinting..



Overall..

Picked up my application for CCW on Thursday, February 23
Had my appointment for CCW on Thursday, March 1
By the end of March, I should hear the decision

Thats a pretty fast turn-around
My biggest issue is that I didn't have an actual "interview" with anyone. Like I said above...paid the fees..got fingerprinted...and off I went..
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Yes, there have been denials. The question is, with identical good cause statements to already approved, which of the denials are going to lawyer up and challenge the VCSO. Will administration follow suit w/ Sacramento and realize they are in a losing battle limiting civil rights unconstitutionally.
That hypothetical case, if any were filed, would be stayed pending Nordyke just like Scocca. ROI nearing zero.

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My biggest issue is that I didn't have an actual "interview" with anyone. Like I said above...paid the fees..got fingerprinted...and off I went..
That's exactly how it should be. What's the problem?

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That's exactly how it should be. What's the problem?

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no problem at all....I was just a little concerned..

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I applied along with my wife using previous good cause statements, as they are applicable to us. We were told by the interviewers that we probably would not get our licenses and that we should not move forward. We did anyways... not I am just waiting for our denial letter in the mail. I plan on appealing... I have no faith that anyone who is not an LEO is going to get a LTC in this county. I was told by the Oxnard PD that unless you are retired LEO that you are NOT going to get a LTC, and that you have absolutely no reason to have one.
That is not a good sign. Just living in Oxnard alone should suffice as a GCS. Just listen to the scanner and that should be clear. Don't get me wrong, I lived in Oxnard for 30 plus years.

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Applied in Jan 2012, got the interview quickly. Paid the fees and got fingerprinted. Then 70 days later got denied under the grounds of there isn't enough threat to my safety to justify the permit. I was amused since the sherriff admited that crime was up in Ventura county. I believe that story was in the Ventura County Star a couple of weeks ago.

Would appreciate any ideas on how to effectively appeal. I know there are people who were approved that used the same justification and received their LTC.
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Applied in Jan 2012, got the interview quickly. Paid the fees and got fingerprinted. Then 70 days later got denied under the grounds of there isn't enough threat to my safety to justify the permit. I was amused since the sherriff admited that crime was up in Ventura county. I believe that story was in the Ventura County Star a couple of weeks ago.

Would appreciate any ideas on how to effectively appeal. I know there are people who were approved that used the same justification and received their LTC.
The sheriff just found a way to pay the coffers back from the lawsuit. Make no change to the issue decision whatever that is, and make money in the process doing so.

Before they denied you for free.

Thanks to Florida and Arizona, they have issued permits to protect Californians once they leave the state they subsidize daily.

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I got my denial letter in the mail from the VCSO saying I didn't meet the criteria. Here is my good cause statement.


I will outline the 3 reasons for which I feel are good cause for obtaining a license to carry. I am a Staff Sergeant in the United States Army, with 10 years of honorable service. I understand what it takes, and what is to protect this country, and I have been deployed to combat. I am of good moral character; I currently hold a SECRET clearance with the US Government. I have previously held a Top Secret clearance while serving at Camp Roberts, California. I have extensive firearms training from the US Army, and know how to safely handle a pistol. Through my service I have learned to stay cool under pressure, and to not over react when the situation does not dictate force is required. I am very familiar with the escalation of force, and would only meet the level of force require to dissolve a situation when protecting myself or my family. I am not a drug user, as I am tested by the US Army frequently to prove this fact.


1. I hire people to work for the United States Government, more specifically the Department of the Army. Through my job I incur a great deal of undue prejudice outside of my job. I do realize that while I work in a federal building, and will be unable to carry a weapon for self-defense while I am at work. I incur this prejudice while I am in my civilian clothing as people know who I am, and I frequently have people make threats, and once incident where a man attacked me merely because of my job. *OMMITTED* attacked me while I was attending a*OMMITTED* for a future soldier on the *OMMITTED*. I have reason to believe that people are capable of anything, and rejecting someone for the service provides this motivation for them to bring me harm when I am alone, and out of uniform.
2. I operate a web design business in my off time from my job with the US Army. I design, program, and develop website for local businesses and people. Upon completion of the job I am frequently paid in cash for these transactions, and depending on the website, it may be in the thousands of dollars. I feel carrying this sum of money with no way to protect myself to be foolish.
3. I am an outdoor enthusiast and frequently make my way into very remote areas of California. I take backpacking and camping trips with myself, my wife, and my step daughter. I frequently travel to areas where rapid response from the police department would be impossible. I take my family with me on these trips, and without the ability to unloaded open carry my handgun I have no means to protect myself or my family. Remote areas and rest stops are not statistically the safest areas of the country. Attacks from wild animals are not likely, but not impossible. The have been 12 cited attacks from bears in the last 20 years. The most prevalent threat would be attacks from people who are running drug operations, or growing marijuana in the remote areas I travel to. These remote areas range from San Diego to Redding. When on our excursions we typically sleep in a tent, and have no safe shelter to hide in.
In conclusion I feel a license to carry is justified for the above reason. Thank you for your time.
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I got my denial letter in the mail from the VCSO saying I didn't meet the criteria. Here is my good cause statement.


I will outline the 3 reasons for which I feel are good cause for obtaining a license to carry. I am a Staff Sergeant in the United States Army, with 10 years of honorable service. I understand what it takes, and what is to protect this country, and I have been deployed to combat. I am of good moral character; I currently hold a SECRET clearance with the US Government. I have previously held a Top Secret clearance while serving at Camp Roberts, California. I have extensive firearms training from the US Army, and know how to safely handle a pistol. Through my service I have learned to stay cool under pressure, and to not over react when the situation does not dictate force is required. I am very familiar with the escalation of force, and would only meet the level of force require to dissolve a situation when protecting myself or my family. I am not a drug user, as I am tested by the US Army frequently to prove this fact.


1. I hire people to work for the United States Government, more specifically the Department of the Army. Through my job I incur a great deal of undue prejudice outside of my job. I do realize that while I work in a federal building, and will be unable to carry a weapon for self-defense while I am at work. I incur this prejudice while I am in my civilian clothing as people know who I am, and I frequently have people make threats, and once incident where a man attacked me merely because of my job. *OMMITTED* attacked me while I was attending a*OMMITTED* for a future soldier on the *OMMITTED*. I have reason to believe that people are capable of anything, and rejecting someone for the service provides this motivation for them to bring me harm when I am alone, and out of uniform.
2. I operate a web design business in my off time from my job with the US Army. I design, program, and develop website for local businesses and people. Upon completion of the job I am frequently paid in cash for these transactions, and depending on the website, it may be in the thousands of dollars. I feel carrying this sum of money with no way to protect myself to be foolish.
3. I am an outdoor enthusiast and frequently make my way into very remote areas of California. I take backpacking and camping trips with myself, my wife, and my step daughter. I frequently travel to areas where rapid response from the police department would be impossible. I take my family with me on these trips, and without the ability to unloaded open carry my handgun I have no means to protect myself or my family. Remote areas and rest stops are not statistically the safest areas of the country. Attacks from wild animals are not likely, but not impossible. The have been 12 cited attacks from bears in the last 20 years. The most prevalent threat would be attacks from people who are running drug operations, or growing marijuana in the remote areas I travel to. These remote areas range from San Diego to Redding. When on our excursions we typically sleep in a tent, and have no safe shelter to hide in.
In conclusion I feel a license to carry is justified for the above reason. Thank you for your time.
WoW- We have much in common my friend.

I am starting to wonder that if you have an Oxnard address it leads to immdediate denial.

If you can't get a CCW, many of us are done.

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I got my denial letter in the mail from the VCSO saying I didn't meet the criteria. Here is my good cause statement.


I will outline the 3 reasons for which I feel are good cause for obtaining a license to carry. I am a Staff Sergeant in the United States Army, with 10 years of honorable service. I understand what it takes, and what is to protect this country, and I have been deployed to combat. I am of good moral character; I currently hold a SECRET clearance with the US Government. I have previously held a Top Secret clearance while serving at Camp Roberts, California. I have extensive firearms training from the US Army, and know how to safely handle a pistol. Through my service I have learned to stay cool under pressure, and to not over react when the situation does not dictate force is required. I am very familiar with the escalation of force, and would only meet the level of force require to dissolve a situation when protecting myself or my family. I am not a drug user, as I am tested by the US Army frequently to prove this fact.


1. I hire people to work for the United States Government, more specifically the Department of the Army. Through my job I incur a great deal of undue prejudice outside of my job. I do realize that while I work in a federal building, and will be unable to carry a weapon for self-defense while I am at work. I incur this prejudice while I am in my civilian clothing as people know who I am, and I frequently have people make threats, and once incident where a man attacked me merely because of my job. *OMMITTED* attacked me while I was attending a*OMMITTED* for a future soldier on the *OMMITTED*. I have reason to believe that people are capable of anything, and rejecting someone for the service provides this motivation for them to bring me harm when I am alone, and out of uniform.
2. I operate a web design business in my off time from my job with the US Army. I design, program, and develop website for local businesses and people. Upon completion of the job I am frequently paid in cash for these transactions, and depending on the website, it may be in the thousands of dollars. I feel carrying this sum of money with no way to protect myself to be foolish.
3. I am an outdoor enthusiast and frequently make my way into very remote areas of California. I take backpacking and camping trips with myself, my wife, and my step daughter. I frequently travel to areas where rapid response from the police department would be impossible. I take my family with me on these trips, and without the ability to unloaded open carry my handgun I have no means to protect myself or my family. Remote areas and rest stops are not statistically the safest areas of the country. Attacks from wild animals are not likely, but not impossible. The have been 12 cited attacks from bears in the last 20 years. The most prevalent threat would be attacks from people who are running drug operations, or growing marijuana in the remote areas I travel to. These remote areas range from San Diego to Redding. When on our excursions we typically sleep in a tent, and have no safe shelter to hide in.
In conclusion I feel a license to carry is justified for the above reason. Thank you for your time.

You obviously need to look at your reasoning from the sherriffs point of view...

1. You must have said something really wrong to piss off those people. Take a class in conflict resolution.

2. Don't you know there are professionals that can be hired to carry cash? Call Brinks or Guarda...

3. The outdoors IS dangerous! Stay out of there and you won't get hurt.


Seriously, though, what is it going to take to get the sherriffs to respect our rights? Is it going to take the assault, robbery, or murder of someone who has been denied LTC?
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Seriously, though, what is it going to take to get the sherriffs to respect our rights? Is it going to take the assault, robbery, or murder of someone who has been denied LTC?
Having been through 2 of those reasons, along with trespassing and vandalism, are why I applied for LTC. My GCS, and supporting evidence, show this to be a habitual pattern against me by a certain group of individuals.

We will see if I am denied.

Not to stir the pot, but I have no issues with going to court due to me being denied my rights.
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Seriously, though, what is it going to take to get the sherriffs to respect our rights? Is it going to take the assault, robbery, or murder of someone who has been denied LTC?
Or, a person who is arrested for carrying, or defending himself, after being denied LTC on inital and appeal. Then takes it to a jury and wins.

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Or, a person who is arrested for carrying, or defending himself, after being denied LTC on inital and appeal.

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I just don't understand how the government can deny/outlaw both open and concealed carry. What makes even less sense is the fact that there is no rhyme or reason as to HOW California denies these rights. GCS #1 is good in this area of CA, but not GCS #2. But you move to another part of CA and suddenly its reversed.
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Not to stir the pot, but I have no issues with going to court due to me being denied my rights.
What I'm wondering, Is how we can effect the political position of Sheriff? As an elected official in a relatively conservative county, why can't we get someone in office that is willing to get with the program? I think we may actually benefit from "potstirring" as it seems denials are becoming very commonplace.

Benjamin,

Unfortunately it seems that CGF has previously stated a lawsuit is a waste of time and resources at this point due to other stayed cases in the courts.
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Unfortunately it seems that CGF has previously stated a lawsuit is a waste of time and resources at this point due to other stayed cases in the courts.
I'd restate that to say another Guillory lawsuit would likely just be stayed pending Nordyke (and maybe Richards) anyway, so the utility of such litigation is practically mooted. It appears that some applicants who have expressed "good cause" similar to those previously approved are being denied; it's certainly an area that the applicants can take up with the VCSO and, possibly, the local media.

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I'd restate that to say another Guillory lawsuit would likely just be stayed pending Nordyke (and maybe Richards) anyway, so the utility of such litigation is practically mooted. It appears that some applicants who have expressed "good cause" similar to those previously approved are being denied; it's certainly an area that the applicants can take up with the VCSO and, possibly, the local media.

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Good point Brandon-

I have reviewed the article by the VC Star. The reporter who wrote the story on the lawsuit and subsequent order for VCSO to release data, contact information follows.

I just left him a voicemail

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I guess i can be trusted to hold national secrets, but not a firearm. Unless I am at War.
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178,

I left a message too. I'd love to see a public outcry. If it's all about politics, we should play politics.

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This is unreal... My wife and I had the exact same good cause statements.... Her permit got approved... mine denied.... I think I am going to appeal this
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Hers did not include being attacked....
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This is unreal... My wife and I had the exact same good cause statements.... Her permit got approved... mine denied.... I think I am going to appeal this
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Hers did not include being attacked....
wow..just wow..

Sounds like VC has a great ability to be consistent in their approval criteria..
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This is so disheartening to read. I too live in VC, I work in a business where I regularly transport audio/visual gear worth 100-300k and I typically must pickup and unload it in some of the sketchiest neighborhoods in Hollywood and LA. I was thinking about applying but as a white male, it seems like an exercise in futility. My wife, OTOH, probably could get one, except that she is a teacher and wouldn't be able to carry while at work, which is where the threat has been the greatest (from a parent, not a student).

Automatikdonn, I would do something about this, that is beyond arbitrary, it's like they have a dartboard in the Sheriff's office for CCWs and 90% of the board is blocked off, "deny" and 10% is marked off "approved".

My office I work for is based in Phoenix and when I go there, it is like a whole other world gun-wise.

Please, anyone else in VC who has been approved for CCW this year, post and tell us about your GC.
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I called and asked why and they were unable to say anything other than that I do not meet the criteria to receive a permit at this time....
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Anything that they say can and will be used against them in a court of law ...
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Send them a letter via certified mail (with a return receipt requested) reminding them that their office has duties under the Penal Code:

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26160. Each licensing authority shall publish and make available a
written policy summarizing the provisions of Section 26150 and
subdivisions (a) and (b) of Section 26155.

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26202. Upon making the determination of good cause pursuant to
Section 26150 or 26155, the licensing authority shall give written
notice to the applicant of the licensing authority's determination.
If the licensing authority determines that good cause exists, the
notice shall inform the applicants to proceed with the training
requirements specified in Section 26165. If the licensing authority
determines that good cause does not exist, the notice shall inform
the applicant that the request for a license has been denied and
shall state the reason from the department's published policy,
described in Section 26160, as to why the determination was made.

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26205. The licensing authority shall give written notice to the
applicant indicating if the license under this article is approved or
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I called and asked why and they were unable to say anything other than that I do not meet the criteria to receive a permit at this time....
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Again I find myself here. Looking towards those more educated on this process than I am.
I recieved my second denial letter. With the box checked "good cause, as stated in section 2g".
I have congruent good cause to those already approved. I am of "good moral character" for all intents and purposes. I am a resident.
This has put a distaste in my mouth for this administration.

Someone find me a hope&change bumper sticker.

What can I do to help further this process. I thought we were in a LTC friendly county. That the Sheriff was "working" with us.
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What can I do to help further this process.
Read the past handful of pages; the data is there.

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I thought we were in a LTC friendly county.
What gave you that impression?

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That the Sheriff was "working" with us.
He did exactly what he committed to doing.

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I highly recommend that everyone remains patient for just a while longer. We will address the process issues, but first we need to understand Ventura's acceptable good cause and good moral character.
This is really all I can find. Patience I have. What confuses me is I have not bee declined for good moral character, I have been declined for good cause. My good cause is identical to those already approved by Sheriff Dean. That is where I lose comprehension of his reasoning.

Anyone else see this differently than I?
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