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Old 10-29-2007, 11:07 AM
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Default Best glass for Tikka T3 Tactical .308??

Need some help, choosing the right glass for my Tikka T3 Tactical 308.

Wanted to keep the price range under $800 or maybe a little bit more (if needed). Open to some suggestions guys...

Looking for 6 - 20 range or so.

Would love Leupold Mark 4 6.5-20x50mm LRT M1, but kind of out of my price range.

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Check out the Nikons. They have a 5-20 Monarch that is REALLY nice.
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Old 10-29-2007, 12:31 PM
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IOR. Check 'em out. 2.5-10x42, 4-14x50. Check with Scott at Liberty Optics. He has the best prices around.
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also check out busnell 3200 and 4200 lines out.
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Check out the Nikons. They have a 5-20 Monarch that is REALLY nice.
The prices on the Nikon are not that bad. hmmm....

Thanks for the info
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Is your Tikka a 20" or 24". And how do you like it so far?
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The prices on the Nikon are not that bad. hmmm....

Thanks for the info
Careful with some of those. They lack a lot of internal adjustment...
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Careful with some of those. They lack a lot of internal adjustment...
Are you referring to making adjustments for 1000 yards?
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I would second the Nikons as their pricing on some of their product line is great. IOR seems to have been raising prices now that they are popular. Thus, I do not think they are a great deal like they orginally were. In fact, I really do not think they are much of a deal anymore.
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Nikons 6.5x20's are all that I run on my two Tikka 595's. Great glass and I love the mil dot. Don't really need the lighted reticle though.
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In fact, I really do not think they are much of a deal anymore.
Given what you get for the price...yes, they still are a deal. They've upgraded the turrets as well. Where else will you get Schott glass in a robust scope for that price?
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Are you referring to making adjustments for 1000 yards?
Yes, and being able to get a 100 yard zero when using a 20 MOA base. You want something with a minimum of 60 or so MOA total internal adjustment. Some people get away with 50 or so, but I don't like to chance it. Plus, when you get to the extreme of elevation adjustment, you have very little windage adjustment available when you really need it.
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Is your Tikka a 20" or 24". And how do you like it so far?
20", and want to be able shoot up to 600+ yrds.
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Given what you get for the price...yes, they still are a deal. They've upgraded the turrets as well. Where else will you get Schott glass in a robust scope for that price?
what scopes are you guys talking about? IOR?
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20", and want to be able shoot up to 600+ yrds.
With a Nikon Tactical and a 20MOA base your should have no problem. I run Nikon Tacts on both my LR rifles (both are 308s) on 20MOA Badger rails with no problem either in 100 yard zero or windage available @ 1K.
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http://www.swfa.com/pc-1896-220-niko...iflescope.aspx

what do you think about this one Timberwolf
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If running a "tactical" rig you want to go mildot. I own and love this one but I will soon upgrade it to the same unit with new knobs.

http://www.swfa.com/pc-10182-292-ior...fle-scope.aspx

You really get a lot of bang for the buck with IOR. These scope will run with the big boys.
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With a Nikon Tactical and a 20MOA base your should have no problem. I run Nikon Tacts on both my LR rifles (both are 308s) on 20MOA Badger rails with no problem either in 100 yard zero or windage available @ 1K.
The tacticals shouldn't have an issue. Its some of the monarchs that have little adjustment.
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Monarchs and the buckmasters.
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http://www.swfa.com/pc-1896-220-niko...iflescope.aspx

what do you think about this one Timberwolf
I have no experience with them - at first blush probably though I would turn it down because of the 1/8 MOA adjustments - first they are a PITA on a tactical weapon and second that pretty well lets me know that the adjustment range is limited. I don't see the total adjustments listed but if its under 50 - 60 MOA you may have trouble getting it to reach out and touch something.
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ok guys... I decided on the Nikon 6-24x50 Monarch BDC.

Now, i need to find a good deal on them.
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ok guys... I decided on the Nikon 6-24x50 Monarch BDC.

Now, i need to find a good deal on them.
Good luck getting to 1000 yards. Their website has it listed with 34 MOA max internal adjustment. Heck, with that little adjsutment, good luck getting past 650 yards. Shooting 175 SMK's, 600 yards is about your max distance. But then your windage adjustment will suffer as well. Plus, the 1/8 knobs are going to be a PITA. You'll want a mil dot reticle as well.

You bought a tactical rifle. If you plan on using it for tactical "style" shooting, you need a better scope. Listen to everyone that has BTDT. There are better scopes out there for what you want to do.

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If you're going Nikon get the Monarch 2.5-10x44 X Mildot which has 80 MOA adjustment or Monarch X 4-16x50 Mildot which has 50 MOA adjustment (they actually have a little more). These are what used to be called the tactical models, the names were changed IIRC to be PC. Both will get you to 1K with a 20MOA base and they're both built like tanks.

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alright guys... Let me look into some other Nikons and some IOR. I just got too excited about the price on the Nikon 6-24x50 Monarch.
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what do you guys think about these...

http://www.swfa.com/pc-3409-297-leup...iflescope.aspx

http://www.swfa.com/pc-10180-292-ior...fle-scope.aspx

Also, what do you guys think about fixed power, instead of variable???

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That should be fine out to 1K with a 20 MOA base.
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I prefer a fixed power 10X for most of my shooting because it's simple and it works. Shooting out to 1000 yds with it isn't a problem.. but it'll be pushing the limits of your eyesight on a torso sized target. Also, I wouldn't count on it to spot holes past 200 yds. Works for me and a lot of other people.

Now with variable power.. you just have to pay attention to your settings when you're ranging unless your scope is a FFP.. which it won't be unless you're going past the $1000 mark. But aside from that, you'll be able to see bullets holes more clearly. Possibly out to 300 in ideal conditions. Targets way out at 1000 yds will of course look bigger too
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That IOR is the one I run and it has 82 moa of adjustment. I have used it without issue out to 865 yards.
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I prefer a fixed power 10X for most of my shooting because it's simple and it works. Shooting out to 1000 yds with it isn't a problem.. but it'll be pushing the limits of your eyesight on a torso sized target. Also, I wouldn't count on it to spot holes past 200 yds. Works for me and a lot of other people.

Now with variable power.. you just have to pay attention to your settings when you're ranging unless your scope is a FFP.. which it won't be unless you're going past the $1000 mark. But aside from that, you'll be able to see bullets holes more clearly. Possibly out to 300 in ideal conditions. Targets way out at 1000 yds will of course look bigger too
When working with a SFP variable, its not hard at all to dial the power to whatever power it needs to be set to range. Paying attention to your scope settings is most critical when holding off using your reticle.
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Also, what do you guys think about fixed power, instead of variable???
What are you going to use the rifle for?

Fixed 10x is very simple and the scopes don't have a lot internally that can go wrong. However, its not great for hunting, shooting inside 50 yards, spotting hits on paper...generally just not as versatile. A good quality variable that will maintain zero throughout the entire magnification range (like IOR), and that is calibrated for 10x or so, is great. That way, for high precision, you can dial up on the mag. And for holding off or ranging, you can back off to 10x, which is suffiecient.
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When working with a SFP variable, its not hard at all to dial the power to whatever power it needs to be set to range. Paying attention to your scope settings is most critical when holding off using your reticle.
True.. but it's also one more thing you can potentially forget to do at all. I know I have forgoten to do things like reset my zero or adjust the parallax from shot to shot. One less thing to think about is fine by me Just a preference.
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True.. but it's also one more thing you can potentially forget to do at all. I know I have forgoten to do things like reset my zero or adjust the parallax from shot to shot. One less thing to think about is fine by me Just a preference.
Just don't forget! Its easy! Or get FFP...and spend lots of money in the process...
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I picked up a Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14 for my "ugly 7" build.
I was planning to use a 20 MOA base on it to maximize the 50MOA up/down travel that it's supposed to have.

If the scope turns out to not be very well centered, I'll setup the surface grinder and convert the 20 MOA base into a 15 MOA or 10 MOA base.

According to the math, with a 162gr Hornady Amax at 3000 FPS, I only need 25 MOA of elevation from a 100yd zero to get all the way to 1000yds.

That 50 MOA max travel, if relatively centered between up and down travel would give me 45 MOA elevation available with a 20 MOA base.
I just don't know if I want to work that far off optical center.
10 MOA sounds better to me right now.
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I picked up a Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14 for my "ugly 7" build.
I was planning to use a 20 MOA base on it to maximize the 50MOA up/down travel that it's supposed to have.

If the scope turns out to not be very well centered, I'll setup the surface grinder and convert the 20 MOA base into a 15 MOA or 10 MOA base.

According to the math, with a 162gr Hornady Amax at 3000 FPS, I only need 25 MOA of elevation from a 100yd zero to get all the way to 1000yds.

That 50 MOA max travel, if relatively centered between up and down travel would give me 45 MOA elevation available with a 20 MOA base.
I just don't know if I want to work that far off optical center.
10 MOA sounds better to me right now.
10 MOA would probably be fine for a 7mm. It'll put you in the sweet spot for windage at the distances where its needed most.
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10 MOA would probably be fine for a 7mm. It'll put you in the sweet spot for windage at the distances where its needed most.
That's what I was thinking...
I don't want to be 5 MOA off the top of the travel where there's not much windage available if I was using a flat base.

The 20 MOA would work also, putting me just 5 MOA up from optical center where the MOST windage is available.
Of course I should NEVER need 20 MOA of wind with a 0.625 bc...
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What are you going to use the rifle for?

Fixed 10x is very simple and the scopes don't have a lot internally that can go wrong. However, its not great for hunting, shooting inside 50 yards, spotting hits on paper...generally just not as versatile. A good quality variable that will maintain zero throughout the entire magnification range (like IOR), and that is calibrated for 10x or so, is great. That way, for high precision, you can dial up on the mag. And for holding off or ranging, you can back off to 10x, which is suffiecient.
Bottom line... I want to be able to reach out and touch something!

I try to go to Angeles once every two months, and i just want tighter grouping at 200 yrds and be able to hit the targets at 600+ yards.
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