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???? I don't know-
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I have a Stag 8H piston upper and it fed Herter's steel junk ammo. I only a couple of mags from my buddies stash to see if it runs. I ran without a hiccup. I'd switch ammo and see if it still gives you problems. Then maybe you can narrow down your issue to either the ammo or something else.
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cool, best of luck.
you should really try to learn your own trouble shooting though. read as many forums as you can and see what others have experienced.
just cause some guy took a $200 armoror's course or worked on them in the military doesn't mean they know how to trouble shoot any better then you. it is a skill you can acquire as well . don't sell your self short. I've been working on cars ,guns and bikes(the kind you peddle) most of my life and a good mechanic in any of those hobbies is really is hard to find.
I learn a great deal from threads like this. It helps me to recognize problems if they ever pop up on my gun.
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Thanks bud, and im not abandoning this thing, I love ar's for what I like them for. This thing will shoot steel by the time i'm done, and if it dont so be it, I'm not planning on dumping this one
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Didn't read the whole thread but if the AR is chambered in .223 and not 5.56 then that is why the steel is getting stuck. I think most steel cased ammo (russian) is for 5.56 guns.
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Its chambered 556
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I've got several AR's that I only run brass ammo through and I've never had a problem.

I wouldn't even consider using steel cased ammo, since I reload.
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I dont know how to reload yet, nor do I wanna pay these crazy prices for brass cased ammo!
I just picked up another 500 rounds for $90 today, if I could find brass for that than id shoot brass but due to high cost and I SHOOT ALOT it doesnt make sense for me to shoot brass
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Where are you getting it for $90?
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I go in the market place and buy all ammo thats priced to sell in poplular calibers whether I own them or not!
I dont buy gold, I buy ammo!
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Dont trip bud, i'll get it figured out, I think it is probably the buffer, but even if its not I didnt get the ar to be my main shooter just so I could have a prom queen thats sexy lol
Wait, so did you ever say what buffer it's running?
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I dont know what buffer is in there rite now.
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Let us know what you end up doing.

I know if/when I pick up an AR, it sure as hell better run whatever I feed it.
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I dont know what buffer is in there rite now.
I looked at the picture and it's an A2 stock with a carbine-gassed system so it's probably a rifle buffer which is pretty heavy and meant for a 20-inch barrel and rifle gas. So just guessing, since Wolf is pretty under powered, it may be the buffer/buffer spring related. If I read the Internets right, a rifle buffer/spring is about the same as an H2 buffer in a carbine. That's probably too heavy a buffer for .223 Wolf but fine with 5.56 rounds. Since you can't drop a H or standard buffer in the A2 stock, maybe you can just drop the upper onto someone else's lower with a H or standard buffer to see if that eliminates your problem.

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So would that cause rounds to be stuck in the chamber? I'm thinkIng of switching to a collapsible stock so I can have the correct buffer weight anyways. I'll definitel try that out by this weekend.
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Hell, I don't know. I'm going to STFU and let people who actually know what they're talking about chime in. Too much static and cross talk when you're trying to diagnose an issue can just add to the frustration. I do think you should at least try the upper with a collapsible stock from a friend because that's no money spent. You may also want to borrow a friend's known good bolt/BCG/extractor to eliminate that as a possible issue to and it would be free/cheap to do.
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Yeah the gun has nothing to do with it (not the platform, the specific gun). My AR is pretty high quality, and on some brands of steel-case, it will do the same thing.

I broke in my AR with a full case of Wolf and no lubrication, and had no jams. However, it gets pretty jammed up when I use Tula. The steel case ammo is built to some pretty broad tolerances, so your gun might be partial to certain brands.
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Yes I understand the difference, but if I put brass 223 it will run it correct?
Then it shall and will run steel too.

This is the reason I got out of ar's to begin with, too many excuses on why it doesnt do this, or cant do that, it is the rifles fault, but by the time I switch whatever I have to switch this thing will run steel!
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The problem with your reasoning is that the Russian .223 is underpowered. So yes, it will likely do just fine with brass .223, but that's because the manufacturers didn't cheap out and put less powder in. Coupled with the steel cases causing excess carbon to get into the chamber, it will cause malfunctions in certain ARs.

I have a BCM upper and my gun got "killed" on a camping trip the same exact way yours did. My buddy's AR (AR Performance) died the same exact way right before I showed up to the camp site. We were using Wolf 55gr polymer coated.
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Trade your steel for brass and never look back! Really though steel casing blows, I never had any luck with then but as soon as I switched ammo I never had another issue. Not sure what causes it but good luck with whatever you decide.
If your ar doesn't shoot steel, Well Its not up to my expectations IMHO. I have a budget $500 ar that shoots wolf, tula, etc all day long.
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People usually trade or get rid of stuff cause they're having issues but that's generally user error or bad parts that's how I got my AR. As for steel ammo don't listen to the Brass snobs I have run thousands or rounds thru my Carbine length AR with no issues shooting that ammo nor brass 5.56...
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Hard to say... Have you tried posting it to Lightfighter.net, to see what they think?
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On my 10/22 I could lighten the action spring and possibly buy a lighter bolt that could cycle using normal velocity ammo, or I could live with one rifle that does the shooting part well but is picky in what it will reliably cycle. Since it's purely a blowback design it would suffer from early chamber opening and poor shooting for the HV ammo, so I'm not making those changes. It reads like you have little interest in how well your AR can shoot but rather want it to cycle reliably, so here are some of my thoughts on that:

For your AR you'll probably need to highly polish the chamber to be sure the powder gunk left behind by the poor-sealing steel doesn't have microscopic crevasses or bumps to stick to. Even chrome-lined chambers can be polished (I've done it myself), just takes lots longer. In any case you're opening up the chamber some polishing parts of the chamber that don't need it, but it's not like it's a match barrel anyway so go to town.

Don't oil the chamber itself since the powder residue will just mix with it and form a sticky paste. The brass is supposed to be held in place via pressure against the chamber walls (steel cases shouldn't be any different) resulting in a good seal against gas leakage, so oil doesn't have any reason to be in there. I realize that polishing for a mirror finish is contrary to the desire for pressurized stickiness, but I'm not making it up as I go and that's just the physics of it all.

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Here is a port that explains it all about steel case ammo, why it works, why it doesnt laquered, and polymer coated etc.
http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=268
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If your AR won't eat steel, put a skirt on it, 'cuz its broke.
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Thank you
You may have cleared this all up with that link,
The ammo i'm using is 62gr wolf blackbox. It says that they have found that particular cartridge sticks more,
Im gonna try my 55gr wolf today. Thank you bud.
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