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Old 01-30-2012, 12:34 PM
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Default New batch of Winchester brass - pretty disappointed :(

I just got a new batch of Winchester brass to work up 270 WSM reloads. Overall, quality is pretty appalling:

Many cases with dented case mouths

Large variance in weight and thickness

Many cases with dents, scratches, or nicks on the case body

Primer pockets will NEED to be uniformed just to get a proper seat

Sad, just sad quality
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Old 01-30-2012, 5:06 PM
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Sounds like normal Winchester brass to me
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I havent purchased new Winchester brass, I just use once fired stuff and its my least favorite. The main problem is seating a primer, its a true PITA. The only brass I have purchased new was Starline for my 45 Colt. The best brass I have ever seen. It literally didnt need any prep at all.
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Old 01-31-2012, 7:58 AM
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I purchased some .303 british winchester brass and was impressed with the quality. I then picked up some .308 and 30/30 and the quality was like you described- horrible primer pockets, dents in the case mouth, O.A.L all over the place.......I wish I had more choices with my suppliers but winchester is mainly what they carry.
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Probably caused by shipping and handling. Try taking some pictures and send them to the manufacture. They might offer to send you a new batch if you haven't already used them.
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Most of the Winchester brass I have purchased has been great but I bought some .308 at the height of the "great shortage" that was just like you described. I may have to rethink Winchester being my preferred brass.
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:08 AM
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Same for me with Lapua brass. Had to discard 2 cases minimum in every 100 rounds. One case had such a distorted primer pocket that the uniformer tool wouldn't enter. That's a first. That seems to be the average cull rate for all brands of brass, Hornady, Nosler, Winchester, Remington, Lapua, they all suffer from a few getting past inspection. Dented and out of round necks are not a problem - shipping loose in boxes and bags is the cause. When brass came packaged in 20 (rifle) or 50 round (handgun) Styrofoam trays or cardboard separators like loaded ammo this wasn't a problem. My last lot of Remington nickel plated brass was perfect, as was all the lots of Privi-Partisan. Luck of the draw and the brass crusher in the sky.
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I know Lapua has been shipping their brass in ammo box type container. I don't know if it helps protect brass from shipping and handling.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/...ic-ammo-boxes/

I just use a neck expander to fix dents.
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Update, I finished resizing, trimming, Uniforming, etc. all the Winchester brass. I started sorting them by weight and neck thickness and the variance is so high I dont know what to even keep..
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That sucks.
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Most of the Winchester brass I have purchased has been great but I bought some .308 at the height of the "great shortage" that was just like you described. I may have to rethink Winchester being my preferred brass.
I agree, bought lots of Win 308 brass during that time period... and had many neck creases as well as what he described. Called Winchester, and their customer service was excellent ...sent me a sealed 50 pack when I believe my culls added up to 14 or 15.

They were concerned with the neck creases, and asked me to get the lot numbers off of the bags...they seemed truely interested in hunting the problem down.

Purchases since that timeframe do seem to have gotten better.

I saved a few of the neck crease brass, just to see if I ran into it again...here are some pictures.









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Are you loading for Benchrest? It is a drag to buy new brass & not have it arrive nicer than the once fired stuff, you pick up at the range.
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The best brass I ever seen is GP11, I need Berdan primers.
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Update, I finished resizing, trimming, Uniforming, etc. all the Winchester brass. I started sorting them by weight and neck thickness and the variance is so high I dont know what to even keep..
Why did you buy them if you wanted match grade brass?
Why not buy match?
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