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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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Gene knows a lot about the business climate in California and he certainly knows about DARPA's early involvement in the invention of the Internet (my apologies to Al Gore). But at the same time Silicon Valley is utterly huge in Internet development - I really don't think there is any other geographic area which can compete in that area of current endeavor. But the other part is extremely important. On many aspects of legal and social issues (and for either good or for evil) California does tend to lead the nation. One could argue that California is in a state of decline, and if one does they must mourn for our country because the odds are entirely too high that California will then lead our entire nation into decline. This leadership on firearms issues is a difficult one. California has led in gutting our RKBA along with several other states. This is a terrible thing but it may now be reversing. Thanks to the CGF board, CGN, and so many others who volunteer, contribute, and cooperate - California appears to be leading the effort to restore our RKBA in a durable and legally defensible fashion. So far as I can tell, there just isn't anything else in the nation which can quite equal what is happening here in California. CGF appears to be in close cooperation with SAF, probably closely cooperating with CRPA, at least loosely coordinates with the NRA, and seems to be increasingly able to work with our UOC organizations as well. There are tendrils of influence that reach into other states to foster certain actions as well. I'm not sure one could say that CGF is the key to our nationwide effort to secure our RKBA, but it is at least one of the keys - and I'm not sure it would actually work without CGF. That sounds like a fairly grandiose assessment of the CGF importance, but if you examine what they are actually doing and the strategic effect of the litigation they have sponsored or assisted on, I'm not sure that it is an overblown assessment. They are going to roll back a lot of stuff in this state, and partly because they are in the 9th Circuit they are going to have a huge effect both from wins and from losses which create circuit splits and the crucial SCOTUS opinions. It's sort of at the point that when CGF wins, they win. When CGF loses, they win bigger (although maybe indirectly). If I were an anti-RKBA type I might just throw up my arms and quit when I saw CGF litigation because not defending against the CGF case is a loss for them - but a smaller loss than if they win. |
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We'll have to register 80%'s as well, am I correct?
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![]() Nope, the law has been written to change the DROS process basically to include Long guns as well. So if you are not transfering it through an FFL the reg will be voluntary, just like it is now....
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*huge sigh of relief* I may just make ALL of my guns then...
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So, once you take all that technology away, please tell me how your internet works for you. -Gene
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2000 miles of string?
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if I remember correctly, Ethernet cable doesnt carry signal well past 1000 feet... Even Fiber wouldn't like it... You'd need a Laser emitter and a big pocket book
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20,000 ft of fiber - $50,000 No bandwidth restrictions - Priceless. |
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What's the latest on this ...........................AB809
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It's law, with an effective date in 2014.
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[Carol Ann voice]The Legislature is baaa-ack .... [/Carol Ann voice] There is no value at all complaining or analyzing or reading tea leaves to decide what these bills really mean or actually do; any bill with a chance to pass will be bad for gun owners. The details only count after the Governor signs the bills. Not a lawyer, just Some Guy On The Interwebs. ![]() |
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How will this affect 80% lower reciever builds? Will we have to register the lower after it is completed?
You gotta love California simply paradise and people hate that so they have to ruin it for everybody! oops I saw it! That's what I get for not reading the 4th page. Last edited by Silverone858; 02-17-2012 at 8:15 PM.. Reason: I found my answer on the 4th |
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Same as now. No serial required on firearms made before 1968 or most imports/milsurps.
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[Carol Ann voice]The Legislature is baaa-ack .... [/Carol Ann voice] There is no value at all complaining or analyzing or reading tea leaves to decide what these bills really mean or actually do; any bill with a chance to pass will be bad for gun owners. The details only count after the Governor signs the bills. Not a lawyer, just Some Guy On The Interwebs. ![]() |
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Why would it have an effect on rifles with mag lock devices? They're just rifles.
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[Carol Ann voice]The Legislature is baaa-ack .... [/Carol Ann voice] There is no value at all complaining or analyzing or reading tea leaves to decide what these bills really mean or actually do; any bill with a chance to pass will be bad for gun owners. The details only count after the Governor signs the bills. Not a lawyer, just Some Guy On The Interwebs. ![]() |
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I have a question about selling long guns after the law takes affect. If we have a long gun and sell it, will the seller be registered as a gun owner or registered as having owned long guns in the past?
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[Carol Ann voice]The Legislature is baaa-ack .... [/Carol Ann voice] There is no value at all complaining or analyzing or reading tea leaves to decide what these bills really mean or actually do; any bill with a chance to pass will be bad for gun owners. The details only count after the Governor signs the bills. Not a lawyer, just Some Guy On The Interwebs. ![]() |
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Unless I am misreading the text of the law, it seems that after Jan 1, 2014, I can't make a gift of a longarm to my child who is under 18 (just as I currently cannot do with a handgun).
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[Carol Ann voice]The Legislature is baaa-ack .... [/Carol Ann voice] There is no value at all complaining or analyzing or reading tea leaves to decide what these bills really mean or actually do; any bill with a chance to pass will be bad for gun owners. The details only count after the Governor signs the bills. Not a lawyer, just Some Guy On The Interwebs. ![]() |
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is that the proper way to read it? Quote:
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In 2014, 27875 is amended to affect 'any firearm' rather than 'handgun' as it covers now, and (e) has the age limit that never applied before to long guns.
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[Carol Ann voice]The Legislature is baaa-ack .... [/Carol Ann voice] There is no value at all complaining or analyzing or reading tea leaves to decide what these bills really mean or actually do; any bill with a chance to pass will be bad for gun owners. The details only count after the Governor signs the bills. Not a lawyer, just Some Guy On The Interwebs. ![]() |
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gotcha. I missed the original question and the nuance of your answer. Quote:
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Here is my take on the effect of this law on the DROS process:
1. No more early long gun DROS. Now you have to wait until the gun arrives at the dealer to start paperwork (internet purchases) 2. One gun per DROS?? With associated DROS fee. (makes sense as this is how handguns are DROS'd) More $$ for the state and very expensive to purchase multiple firearms at one time. 3. DROS software is currently not able to operate under the new law. It will have to be re-designed. (bet the DOJ has a crack team working on this one right now). Overall, a big downer to the industry as paperwork increases and fees generated to the state increase substantially. Not looking forward to the implementation AT ALL!!
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Hopefully I will have made my exodus by 2014...
I'm just paranoid that this will apply to California residents who now live in free states, kind of like a possessive entity... Again, it's just me.
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Time after time after time after time (literally) they tried to pass a bond for a new school and eventually succeeded, by a tiny margin, having worn down the opposition. Now, having spent millions on architects' fees, engineers' fees etc. they discover that the state will not after all be supplying matching funds and the new school is a non-starter. Not to mention that the high speed rail line may well be going straight through the school grounds. What I don't understand is the proposed cost of the new school. For what they intended to spend on each student, they could have bought that student a complete new three bedroom house. Why is that much money needed for 3% of the floor space of a classroom (assuming 33 students per class) and common amenities? So yes, no matter how mad an idea, you just keep asking and asking and asking until the opposition is worn down.
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It is my understanding that it is the FFL who is required to maintain records for up to 20 years, not DOJ. |
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The serial numbers of handguns sold through FFLs are electronically (since 1998) reported to DOJ via the DROS process. (PC 28160 (a)(12) ) I would be quite surprised if those complete records were not entered directly into their database of firearms. The 20-year thing is for Federal 4473s. (27 CFR 478.129 - Record retention)
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[Carol Ann voice]The Legislature is baaa-ack .... [/Carol Ann voice] There is no value at all complaining or analyzing or reading tea leaves to decide what these bills really mean or actually do; any bill with a chance to pass will be bad for gun owners. The details only count after the Governor signs the bills. Not a lawyer, just Some Guy On The Interwebs. ![]() Last edited by Librarian; 04-30-2012 at 12:43 PM.. |
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Man, I feel for you guys. I keep a close watch on California because I believe you guys are the petri dish for what is going to be tried on the rest of us. I'm from Texas btw. I know of a lot of horror stories about a lot of innocent people out there being criminalized because of your regime and it pisses me off. This strict gun crap that seems to be pushing pretty hard towards a ban will get extremely violent before it gets settled. REMEMBER, GIVE EM YOUR AMMO FIRST!
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As of January, 2014, will we still be able to purchase rifles from the CMP directly?
Sorry if this question has already been answered alredy as I did not do a search...
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I moved, and never looked back. I barely ever come back, except to visit my grandkids, when they are still in school. Summers, they get to see what free people live like, here in Oklahoma. My heart goes out to those who feel trapped in the PRK, but if y'all don't work diligently on informing the uninformed masses, about the tyranny, that California has become, you will never recover any level of freedom. You will become like a western European, socialist democracy. I feel your pain.
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I think you may be misreading what they sent you. PC 11106(a) requires the AG to keep the complete DROS for handguns, and (b)(1) says the office discards the information about long guns after 5 days - but no serial number info is currently collected for long guns. Quote:
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[Carol Ann voice]The Legislature is baaa-ack .... [/Carol Ann voice] There is no value at all complaining or analyzing or reading tea leaves to decide what these bills really mean or actually do; any bill with a chance to pass will be bad for gun owners. The details only count after the Governor signs the bills. Not a lawyer, just Some Guy On The Interwebs. ![]() Last edited by Librarian; 05-01-2012 at 11:26 AM.. |
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