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Old 02-02-2012, 10:20 AM
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Default Anyone use W231 for 357 mag load?

Hey yall, just got a Marlin and wanted to reload for it, the only powder I have at home is W231 that I use for .45acp. I read that W231 is too fast for 357 mag load. Do any of you guys use it for that??? If not, what is a good powder to get for loading 357 Mag? Bullet weight is probably going to be 158Gr, shot out of a 18.5" barrel. Thanks guys.
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Old 02-02-2012, 10:31 AM
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According to my Speer Reloading Manual #12, you can use W231 with a 158 gr bullet in the .357. That is the heaviest bullet they recommend loading using W231.

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Other powders you can use are; Unique and Bullseye. There are a few others also.

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W231 is my favorite target load powder for 158gr LSWC's out of my .357 handgun's.

I have loaded 158gr lead with W231 from 4.2gr mouse farts, up to 6.7gr that starts making the gun feel like a 2400 load and will get you into the 1200+fps range in anything longer than a snubby.

Frankly, for a rifle, I would be looking at something a little slower like Alliant's 2400.

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There are well-established safe 357MAG loads for Winchester 231 and the 158 bullet, jacketed and cast.

The draw back is that these charges do not take up much room in the case, and there is so much empty space in the case that you may see some velocity variations from the arrangement of the powder charge within the case upon ignition. With most of the powder close to the flash hole, you'll get higher velocities, with most of the powder far from the flash hole, you'll get lower velocities.

Using magnum primers may reduce the velocity variation, but you may experience increased barrel leading if you're shooting lead bullets.

If you're feeling adventurous, you could greatly reduce the charge, and seat the 158 grain lead bullet flush to the case mouth as if it were a wadcutter. That would reduce the amount of empty space in the case. But then you'll probably have feeding problems in a tube-magazine rifle.

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Yep, I sure do. Don't have the data in front of me but I load 158's over it.
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I used to, before i got really serious about loading .357. I found H110 is vastly superior to W231 for most magnum loads. Max load for W231 gets you about 100 fps less than than the STARTING load for H110.

I use 158 grn jacketed hollowpoints over 16.2 grns of H110. Should be good for about 1600 fps or so out of a handgun. I can ring steel at 100 yards all day long with no holdover

Out of a levergun you can probably get at 2300 fps or so, with that longer barrel something nice and slow burning would probably do well. Ive always wanted a levergun in .357
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Thanks for the info guys, let see if I can get a few more powder suggestions before I buy some more. And as for the lever gun, they are out there, I checked the classified here everyday for the last 2 months I think, they show up quite frequently actually. You gotta jump on it fast though, the first two I wanted to buy slipped past my fingers, 3rd time is a charm.
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My Bianchi load was Zero 125JHP over 5.6gr of 231 and Fed 100. It's a light 357mag load but clocked over 1000fps and groups under 2" at 50 yards.
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I use Winchester 296 for my .357 Magnum loads. Works great.
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I have been using Unique under 158 gr lead with great results in my pistol and my lever gun. Just got a pound of Bullseye last week and worked up a few loads working my way up to about 75% of max and I really like it. Did not try it in my lever gun yet but in the pistol it was great.
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W231 is good for lighter bullets.

If you're going to launch 158gr pills look at a slower powder like Alliant 2400 or Hodgdon H110. Higher velocity at same/lower pressures.

I prefer 2400 because it's more readilly available & doesn't require magnum primers.
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You'll have better results with medium to slower burn rate powder like Unique (med) and 2400 (slow). With 231 max charge for the bullet weight you plan to use, the pressure curve can be up there, near max. With Unique and 2400 it'll give you a faster velocity and a lower pressure.
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Thanks guys, looks like 2400 or H110 it is. Was hoping I can get by with W231 since that's the powder I have.
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