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Old 12-14-2011, 8:22 AM
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Default PPT OUT OF STATE SELLER/C&R ISSUES

First,If you have two people that want to do a PPT,with the seller a Nevada resident,but the buyer a California resident,is it possible? It seems that the dros screen only allows Ca. ID,Ca. CDL,or military ID as the only ID accepted for the seller.
Second,is a C&R,COE person exempt from the 1 gun every 30 days rule?
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Old 12-14-2011, 12:23 PM
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I am not sure on the first part. I know that if the gun is off-roster it is a no go, but for an on-roster firearm I am not sure.
For the second part, yes. A COE and 03 FFL exempt a buyer from the 1 in 30 for handguns.
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As to the first part, PPT is set up to accept only CA ID, as you have noticed. NV resident to CA resident is an interstate transfer.
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Second,is a C&R,COE person exempt from the 1 gun every 30 days rule?
Yes, but it must be properly noted within the DROS process. Here is a post from Tenpercentfirearms on the subject and details the process for dealers to ensure the buyer is not kicked back.

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After our CGF board meeting the other night, I think I have a simple way for dealers to "fix" the issue. If you are not familiar with the actual DROS screen, this might sound foreign to you, but I will try to make it clear.

When starting a DROS, no matter what type of DROS it is (options include, handgun, long gun, peace officer, curio/relic/olympic pistol/exempt, private transfer [handgun or long gun], loan, pawn/cosign rtn), you are given a pull down menu on the very first DROS tab labeled "Waiting Period Exemptions".

From this pull down menu you have the options of:

30 DAY MULTIPLE PURCHASE EXEMPT
CFD NUMBER
COLLECTOR
NONE
PEACE OFFICER
SPECIAL WEAPONS PERMIT

I think the problem that led to this entire thread is that 01 FFLs running DROS are incorrectly selecting 03 FFL & COE holders as "COLLECTOR". Of course they are coming back rejected because by putting COLLECTOR the FFL is claiming the buyer is ten day wait exempt. The DOJ is simply looking at the handgun data, noting it is not 50 years old, and denying the sale.

What dealers need to do is put 30 DAY MULTIPLE PURCHASE EXEMPT. It is kind of awkward because by putting 30 DAY MULTIPLE PURCHASE EXEMPT the buyer is not actually getting a Waiting Period Exemption as the box indicates, but simply a 30 DAY MULTIPLE PURCHASE EXEMPTion.

If a dealer puts 30 DAY MULTIPLE PURCHASE EXEMPT in the DROS, there is absolutely no way for the CA DOJ to know why that person is actually exempt. They could be an 01 FFL (yes I am exempt from 1 in 30 days too), it could be a peace officer who chooses to also wait their ten days instead of using a letter, or it could be a return.

Now the FFL will need to be certain that they do actually have the documentation to show that the buyer is actually 30 DAY MULTIPLE PURCHASE EXEMPT in an audit, but the DROS will go through.

Again, the CGF would like to remind any dealers or individuals who hear of an FFL getting audited and being dinged for allowing the 30 DAY MULTIPLE PURCHASE EXEMPTion for 03 FFLs with COE, we want to know about it immediately.

Thank you and hopefully this clears up the issue.
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As to the first part, PPT is set up to accept only CA ID, as you have noticed. NV resident to CA resident is an interstate transfer.
I have done it with a military ID no problems at all...
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I have done it with a military ID no problems at all...
Yes, and that's legal because Feds say .mil with PCS to that state are citizens of that state, for gun purposes.

But NV id will not fly for PPT.

Can't repeat the entire thing every time the question gets asked -

See also the Calguns Foundation Wiki articles on

PPT - http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...te_Party_-_PPT

Interstate transfer - http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...rms_Interstate
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