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Old 09-03-2011, 6:30 AM
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The solution appears to be obvious: Drop the $5.00 handling fee and increase the price on all guns by $5.00. That should dry up the river of tears and the board clog of redundant complaints.
with all due respect, this thread exists in a section of the forum that not only is designed specifically for this type of subject, but also happens to be near the very bottom of the home page... for you to be here you had to have actually found it from effort (not something you just stumbled across in the rifle section for example)... the "redundant complaints" are at least relevant and therefore are much less "board clog" than the post I am responding to.

As for adding $5 to the purchase price, that makes as much sense as CA calling "tax" a "fee"... renaming it doesn't explain it, or justify it - and driving the price up for profit is Turners prerogative, but if you are trying to attract customers that's a bass-ackwards way of doing it.
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with all due respect, this thread exists in a section of the forum that not only is designed specifically for this type of subject, but also happens to be near the very bottom of the home page... for you to be here you had to have actually found it from effort (not something you just stumbled across in the rifle section for example)... the "redundant complaints" are at least relevant and therefore are much less "board clog" than the post I am responding to.

As for adding $5 to the purchase price, that makes as much sense as CA calling "tax" a "fee"... renaming it doesn't explain it, or justify it - and driving the price up for profit is Turners prerogative, but if you are trying to attract customers that's a bass-ackwards way of doing it.

Seriously! Good response!
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I don't agree with the $5 Turners fee unless they have to special order a gun.

Exactly! When I buy jeans from sears do they charge me a "handling fee"? NO

I dont understand what the handling fee is for when Turners is in the business of selling guns. I never complain about anything but this fee does not add up.

Its not the $$$ that bothers me its the principal. It didnt say anything about a fee on the add. If it did I wouldnt be here complaining. And if I missed it somewhere I would have paid it but I still feel as if this fee is wrong.

Im seriously trying to like Turners but every time I spend money there I feel bad afterwards. Most of the sale items you have to get on the first day or they are SOLD OUT and the sales people have no idea or clue about what is on sale or not. I went in to buy a cleaning kit for my rifle that is on sale for $14.99 and the sales guy ahd no clue about it and finally just said"were sold out" he didnt know when they would get any more. I had to do my own work to even find the item.

I love Turners but the more I go there the more Im losing faith.
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Exactly! When I buy jeans from sears do they charge me a "handling fee"? NO

I dont understand what the handling fee is for when Turners is in the business of selling guns. I never complain about anything but this fee does not add up.

Its not the $$$ that bothers me its the principal. It didnt say anything about a fee on the add. If it did I wouldnt be here complaining. And if I missed it somewhere I would have paid it but I still feel as if this fee is wrong.

Im seriously trying to like Turners but every time I spend money there I feel bad afterwards. Most of the sale items you have to get on the first day or they are SOLD OUT and the sales people have no idea or clue about what is on sale or not. I went in to buy a cleaning kit for my rifle that is on sale for $14.99 and the sales guy ahd no clue about it and finally just said"were sold out" he didnt know when they would get any more. I had to do my own work to even find the item.

I love Turners but the more I go there the more Im losing faith.

When you buy jeans at sears they don't have to submit a background check on you to the DOJ to see if you can purchase said jeans nor do they have to complete and store federal documents for the ATF.

I have no issues paying the $5 fee so that they can do the +/-15 mins of paperwork involved in a gun sale. Then again im the guy who will gladly pay the .45c fee at the gas station to use my card outside to avoid dealing with the people inside.
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with all due respect, this thread exists in a section of the forum that not only is designed specifically for this type of subject, but also happens to be near the very bottom of the home page... for you to be here you had to have actually found it from effort (not something you just stumbled across in the rifle section for example)... the "redundant complaints" are at least relevant and therefore are much less "board clog" than the post I am responding to.

As for adding $5 to the purchase price, that makes as much sense as CA calling "tax" a "fee"... renaming it doesn't explain it, or justify it - and driving the price up for profit is Turners prerogative, but if you are trying to attract customers that's a bass-ackwards way of doing it.
Wow, have I been schooled or what?! I didn't realize how serious I was, in fact, I could have sworn I was being sarcastic. Mea culpa! It's a good thing there were no zombie movies on so you could educate me! All due respect...
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Wow, have I been schooled or what?! I didn't realize how serious I was, in fact, I could have sworn I was being sarcastic. Mea culpa! It's a good thing there were no zombie movies on so you could educate me! All due respect...
if you don't mean what you type, what's the point?

and although "you could have sworn you were being sarcastic" - I dont know how you expected anyone else to have determined that.
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When you buy jeans at sears they don't have to submit a background check on you to the DOJ to see if you can purchase said jeans nor do they have to complete and store federal documents for the ATF.

I have no issues paying the $5 fee so that they can do the +/-15 mins of paperwork involved in a gun sale. Then again im the guy who will gladly pay the .45c fee at the gas station to use my card outside to avoid dealing with the people inside.
Yeah I paid $25 dollars for that and it takes 5 minutes and I filled out all of the paperwork. Its all part of the process.

I dont mind paying certain fees but I would like a little more clarity on what it is for. I never paid a $5 handling fee when buying a gun at any other gun shop so why Turners?
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OK... enough of that handling fee BS.... It is what it is.

The more important question is when are you going to open a store in Temecula/Murietta area? Corona and Kerney Mesa are too far to drag the wife to.

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OK... enough of that handling fee BS.... It is what it is.

The more important question is when are you going to open a store in Temecula/Murietta area? Corona and Kerney Mesa are too far to drag the wife to.
Simple... Leave the wife at home...

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Who currently owns " turners outdoorsman " ??

I had heard that Shirley Andrews was trying / going to / buy it back ?
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Who currently owns " turners outdoorsman " ??

I had heard that Shirley Andrews was trying / going to / buy it back ?
from a quick Google search: http://www.examiner.com/fishing-in-s...nvestment-team

as of two years ago anyway...
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When I bought my first handgun at Turners I was shocked how much paperwork was involved. For crisake I've closed escrow with less signatures! No wonder they charge $5. Thank the gov for endless red tape.
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OK... enough of that handling fee BS.... It is what it is.

The more important question is when are you going to open a store in Temecula/Murietta area? Corona and Kerney Mesa are too far to drag the wife to.
Temecula is on the definitely on the short list of new locations as we look at new store openings in early 2012. PM sent.
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from a quick Google search: http://www.examiner.com/fishing-in-s...nvestment-team

as of two years ago anyway...
Here's some more info from our first post here on CGN-

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I just wanted to stop in and say that I love this thread and I love Turners. Corona is my store and the staff there is great. My only complaint is that I stopped in yesterday to pick up a P95 mag and you guys didn't have any, but the guy I talked to did everything he could to help me track one down. Unfortunately I need it for Sunday which is short notice for most options.
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Temecula is on the definitely on the short list of new locations as we look at new store openings in early 2012. PM sent.
Meh... San Marcos isn't that far.

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Just a note to turners : if your going to put mosin nagants on sale please stock up on ammo. Everyone in San Diego is sold out apparently big demand....I sure hope you have ammo when I pick up my new piece of history next Sunday. On a side note the ranges around here only allow non magnetic ammo wink wink
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Temecula is on the definitely on the short list of new locations as we look at new store openings in early 2012. PM sent.
Finally!!! I used to go to the Riverside store when I lived there and I have bought a rifle from the Corona store that "replaced" it, but it is a bit of a drive from where I live. I can't wait until the Temecula store opens.
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OK... enough of that handling fee BS.... It is what it is.

The more important question is when are you going to open a store in Temecula/Murietta area? Corona and Kerney Mesa are too far to drag the wife to.
Yeah OK why dont we just say "it is what it is" about ever problem then?

Great way to solve a problem buddy.
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Hey why no ppt on an Ak pistol?
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Went into the Turners Fountain Valley about ten days ago or so. Was trying to pick up a few of those Durango gun cases that are on sale. Got the same response mentioned above from the guy behing the cash register.I found where they were suppose to be but all were sold. I walked up to the cash register and asked was there any more. He responded huh? What? So I asked again. His response well if there is none over there we must be out.( Really?) So I asked, You dont by chance have extras in the back? His response no! I then asked when they were going to get more. His response- I dont know when we are going to any more back in. Then proceeds to tell me they have been sold out for weeks.

Dissapointing! If they have not had any in weeks , What takes so long getting more in the store? Is it a loss leader type deal or is someone not keeping inventory stocked. I honestly think you can restock gun cases within two weeks. The add is no good to me if whats on sale is not there to buy.

I understand the deals are good and you have no control over how fast things get sold, but please restock. I just keep getting the impression you guys only want to sell limited amounts of certain things you advertise. This isnt the first time I have came across this on something advertised.
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Just a note to turners : if your going to put mosin nagants on sale please stock up on ammo. Everyone in San Diego is sold out apparently big demand....I sure hope you have ammo when I pick up my new piece of history next Sunday. On a side note the ranges around here only allow non magnetic ammo wink wink
Ammo is thin right now after two nice bunches of clean rifles.

Wouldn't you know it- when we have ammo, no one has rifles; when we get a good shipment of rifles, all we can find is corrosive or bi-metal ammo.

We're working on it, though and hope to have something in shortly.
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Hey why no ppt on an Ak pistol?
As long as the magazine is fixed- as with other AK type rifles- and the capacity is 10 or less, we have no issues on a PPT.

In fact, we're going to have a second batch of single-shot Hellpup pistols in shortly.

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As long as the magazine is fixed- as with other AK type rifles- and the capacity is 10 or less, we have no issues on a PPT.

In fact, we're going to have a second batch of single-shot Hellpup pistols in shortly.

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Why then was my ppt refused at the chino hills store mgr said corporate wouldn't let him do it for an ak pistol
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Why then was my ppt refused at the chino hills store mgr said corporate wouldn't let him do it for an ak pistol
No good reason at all...

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Now to the heart of the C&R issue. We are working with some very good folks (you all know these hard working guys) to get some things cleared up with regards to the exemptions and latitude that is extended to C&R licensees. We hear one thing from one regulatory entity and something a bit different from another. Under the advisement of the folks who are doing some work on this, we won't be commenting further until we hear back from them. But do know that we want to have C&R folks maximize the amount of utility that their license affords them. It's best for them and absolutely it's best for all dealers.
I am wondering if there is any news on you guys doing the C&R + COE exemption for the one hand gun in 30 day rule like other dealers are doing? Here is the Calguns thread about it http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=449449 with an explnation (post 103) on how to pick the right exemption on the drop down menu of the DROS screen so it does not get rejected. Post 103 was written by tenpercentfirearms who is a Calguns Foundation Board Member. Other 01 FFL's are giving the thumbs up for this being correct as well as the Chairman of the Calguns Foundation who I believe is a attorney (hoffmang)
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I am wondering if there is any news on you guys doing the C&R + COE exemption for the one hand gun in 30 day rule like other dealers are doing? Here is the Calguns thread about it http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=449449 with an explnation (post 103) on how to pick the right exemption on the drop down menu of the DROS screen so it does not get rejected. Post 103 was written by tenpercentfirearms who is a Calguns Foundation Board Member. Other 01 FFL's are giving the thumbs up for this being correct as well as the Chairman of the Calguns Foundation who I believe is a attorney (hoffmang)
We do not have yet received an answer to the question(s) that we tendered through the folks that are helping us out. When we do, we post in this forum.
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We do not have yet received an answer to the question(s) that we tendered through the folks that are helping us out. When we do, we post in this forum.
PM sent, too.
The answer to the question is in the California Penal Code...
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(B) Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to any of the following:
(ix) Any person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued to him or her by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 12071.
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Yeah OK why dont we just say "it is what it is" about ever problem then?

Great way to solve a problem buddy.
Really? You're really comparing this to "every problem"?

This store is nice enough to provide representation on this forum, provide timely feedback to its customers, and generally from what I have seen, takes care of them better than most businesses of their size.

The $5 charge has been discussed ad naseum both in this thread as well as several others where links were provided. I'm relatively new to the forum and even I can find it.

Continuously wanking about the fee does nothing but show your limited mental capacity to comprehend what has already been said and explained several times, therefore, it is what it is.

If it bothers you that much, go somewhere else. Chances are when you do have a problem you won't find the customer service that Turners provides. Of course you can always buy online and save a few bucks, but then you would have to pay shipping and would have no limit on the FFL fee. Or you could drive around town looking for the best deal, wasting more than the $5 you are complaining about.

To me, $5 isn't that big of a deal to support a local store who takes an active interest in the community and takes care of their customers. Maybe if there were more businesses like that and more people who thought like that there would be fewer wal marts and other big box stores with the service of a morgue.
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The answer to the question is in the California Penal Code...


And I found the source of the FUD that has dealers claiming that this applies only to C&R purchases:

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/infobuls/9907.pdf

Gotta love Bill's underground regulations.
Agreed, there are a lot of similar "regulations" or "best practices" that were constructed during the tenure of certain folks at various levels; a lot of which did not go through the proper statutory process.

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I just want to say I think a store in Ventura County would be a gold mine for you.

Please consider us for one.
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That would be the best spot its between kerney mesa and corona and that city is huge and the cities around are growing fast!!
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Kudos to Norwalk store!!!

Went in to get some PMC .223 that was in today's "Off the Hook Special" - one day only email add... but I got there a little late in the day (4:00-ish) and they only had four boxes left (I wanted 10, which is maximum per person purchase)...

I started to call FV and SH stores to see if they had any in stock, and clerk realized my predicament and offered some Remington that they had plenty of for same sale price! Manager did price-adjustment = hassle-free and out the door swiftly!

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To me, $5 isn't that big of a deal to support a local store who takes an active interest in the community and takes care of their customers.
I'm already supporting the store by purchasing something, why should I be forced to support them with an extra $5. Would you like to pay an extra $5 at every store you shop at just because you like them?
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I'm already supporting the store by purchasing something, why should I be forced to support them with an extra $5. Would you like to pay an extra $5 at every store you shop at just because you like them?
Good point! As a powerful community we should band together and boycott all businesses and organizations that charge fees on top of their basic service charges. I think I'll start by cancelling my Costco membership. $35 a year so I can spend good money on pallets of burritos, duct tape and toilet paper just doesn't seem fair. And after checking out the BS fees on my utility bills I'm cancelling all of them too. And I don't think I'll be buying gasoline here anymore either. I'll order it online from some guy in Oklahoma who lives in his mom's basement and save the state taxes and AQMD and CARB fees. That'll show em...
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I think many of you are missing the point of the $5 fee question... its not a matter of being too much or unwarranted - people are asking for an explanation.

Too many people in this thread are implying "shut up and pay it"... that's not acceptable to most logical right-minded individuals. Many of the examples being given are not comparable - a tax is explained, a membership fee is explained... the $5 handling fee is ambiguous - and people are justified in wanting clarification..

If you don't mind paying fees without explanation - you are sheep and part of the problem in this state/country.
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I think many of you are missing the point of the $5 fee question... its not a matter of being too much or unwarranted - people are asking for an explanation..
Fair enough. I wasn't implying you shut up and pay it, simply saying that if you would go back to the thread that has been linked to several times in this thread you would probably find your answer.


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you are sheep and part of the problem in this state/country.
Wow... drama much?
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Wow... drama much?
it's not drama... it's simply my opinion (and the opinion of many others) that we pay way to many "fees" that are unexplained... and unfortunately far too many people (particularly in CA) never question it; it has resulted in problems, problems that could be avoided if more people stop being sheep and wake up.

This is going off topic in regards to Turners - the subject is one thing, but I agree it isnt an isolated "Turners" issue - however, the reason people question the Turners fee is justified the same way.
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