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Old 09-02-2011, 11:27 AM
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Thumbs up Michigan AG Gets It Right, Legalizes Suppressors

http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-...1765--,00.html

Up to this point, MI state law has been held to mean that individuals couldn't own suppressors legally in the state. Now, MI joins the vast majority of other states, at least 38 now so far out of the 50, that agree with gun owners' right to own them so long as they comply with federal law (proper form, $200 tax stamp, etc.). BIG kudos to AG Schutte for doing the right thing.

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LANSING - Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette today issued a formal Attorney General Opinion stating that State law allows the use of noise suppressors by private citizens when authorized by the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

"Michigan citizens who comply with federal firearm regulations can use suppressors to protect their hearing and minimize noise disruptions in the surrounding areas," said Schuette.

Schuette concludes in Attorney General Opinion 7260 that only Michigan residents in full compliance with federal laws may possess a federally-registered suppressor, also commonly referred to as a muffler or silencer. Possession of a suppressor without the proper federal authorization remains a five-year felony under Michigan law.

Although suppressors do not completely eliminate the sound of a firearm, they do reduce the noise associated with gunfire in a manner similar to how a muffler reduces exhaust noise from a motor vehicle. Suppressors protect shooters' hearing and also reduce noise complaints from neighbors in the vicinity of firearm use, whether it is near a shooting range or hunting property. Thirty-seven states currently allow private ownership of suppressors, including Ohio, Indiana and Wisconsin.

"Noise suppressors are a useful tool for Michigan firearms enthusiasts and the rigorous federal licensing process serves as a safeguard to ensure only law-abiding citizens can be in possession," said Marquette County Sheriff Michael Lovelace.

"Michigan joins the majority of states allowing noise suppressors for lawful firearms users while continuing to afford law enforcement the ability to prosecute those who break the law and place public safety at risk," said Hillsdale County Prosecutor Neal Brady.

"The use of suppressors will help keep the peace in areas of lawful firearm use," said Barry County Sheriff Dar Leaf. "While you can never completely silence a firearm, muffling the sound will be appreciated by neighbors in the vicinity of lawful firearm use."

"We thank Attorney General Schuette for this well-reasoned opinion, which will allow Michigan residents to possess suppressors in compliance with federal law," said Chuck Cunningham, NRA-ILA Director of State and Local Affairs. "Noise suppressors are an effective means of reducing hearing loss among shooters, and we are pleased that shooters in Michigan, like those in 38 other states, will now have the freedom to choose these useful safety devices."

"Attorney General Bill Schuette has now brought us into the mainstream by issuing an opinion allowing law abiding citizens of the State of Michigan to own sound suppressing devices for their firearms," said Joel Fulton, President of the Southside Sportsman Club. "It is considered rude to your neighbors to make excessive noise that disrupts their peace and quiet. We have mufflers on just about everything to reduce noise pollution."

It is the Attorney General's duty "to give his opinion upon all questions of law submitted to him by the legislature or either branch thereof, or by the governor . . . or any other state officer" (MCL 14.32). To fulfill that duty, Attorney General Schuette issues informational letters as well as formal Attorney General Opinions in response to requests from the legislature, state agencies, and the governor.

Attorney General Opinion 7260 was issued at the request of Senator Rick Jones, Senator Tonia Schuitmaker, Representative Mark Meadows, and Representative Kevin Cotter.
Full text of the opinion is here: http://www.ag.state.mi.us/opinion/da...0s/op10339.htm

Ahem... so, uhm... what's the problem still with the other 11? (Including CA and the one I'm temporarily parked in)
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Ahem... so, uhm... what's the problem still with the other 12? (Including CA and the one I'm temporarily parked in)
The problem in the other 12 is that their knowledge of firearms comes from two places. The first - television and movies where silencers reduce the report of a firearm to a "pew pew" that can't even be heard five feet away indoors. The second - feel good legislation and pandering to soccermoms by Brady's and anti-gun politicians who paint anything gun related as terrible and dangerous.

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Oh you didn't hear? Silencers are used by ASSASSINS TO MURDER BABIES.
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Oh you didn't hear? Silencers are used by ASSASSINS TO MURDER BABIES.
On that basis I'd expect the CA political system to approve of them...
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Oh you didn't hear? Silencers are used by ASSASSINS TO MURDER BABIES KITTENS.
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Default Michigan legalizes suppressors

http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-...1765--,00.html

(Before you Dupe Police me, the other post about this was titled poorly, and this is a big deal.)

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LANSING - Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette today issued a formal Attorney General Opinion stating that State law allows the use of noise suppressors by private citizens when authorized by the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

"Michigan citizens who comply with federal firearm regulations can use suppressors to protect their hearing and minimize noise disruptions in the surrounding areas," said Schuette.

Schuette concludes in Attorney General Opinion 7260 that only Michigan residents in full compliance with federal laws may possess a federally-registered suppressor, also commonly referred to as a muffler or silencer. Possession of a suppressor without the proper federal authorization remains a five-year felony under Michigan law.

Although suppressors do not completely eliminate the sound of a firearm, they do reduce the noise associated with gunfire in a manner similar to how a muffler reduces exhaust noise from a motor vehicle. Suppressors protect shooters' hearing and also reduce noise complaints from neighbors in the vicinity of firearm use, whether it is near a shooting range or hunting property. Thirty-seven states currently allow private ownership of suppressors, including Ohio, Indiana and Wisconsin.

"Noise suppressors are a useful tool for Michigan firearms enthusiasts and the rigorous federal licensing process serves as a safeguard to ensure only law-abiding citizens can be in possession," said Marquette County Sheriff Michael Lovelace.

"Michigan joins the majority of states allowing noise suppressors for lawful firearms users while continuing to afford law enforcement the ability to prosecute those who break the law and place public safety at risk," said Hillsdale County Prosecutor Neal Brady.

"The use of suppressors will help keep the peace in areas of lawful firearm use," said Barry County Sheriff Dar Leaf. "While you can never completely silence a firearm, muffling the sound will be appreciated by neighbors in the vicinity of lawful firearm use."

"We thank Attorney General Schuette for this well-reasoned opinion, which will allow Michigan residents to possess suppressors in compliance with federal law," said Chuck Cunningham, NRA-ILA Director of State and Local Affairs. "Noise suppressors are an effective means of reducing hearing loss among shooters, and we are pleased that shooters in Michigan, like those in 38 other states, will now have the freedom to choose these useful safety devices."

"Attorney General Bill Schuette has now brought us into the mainstream by issuing an opinion allowing law abiding citizens of the State of Michigan to own sound suppressing devices for their firearms," said Joel Fulton, President of the Southside Sportsman Club. "It is considered rude to your neighbors to make excessive noise that disrupts their peace and quiet. We have mufflers on just about everything to reduce noise pollution."

It is the Attorney General's duty "to give his opinion upon all questions of law submitted to him by the legislature or either branch thereof, or by the governor . . . or any other state officer" (MCL 14.32). To fulfill that duty, Attorney General Schuette issues informational letters as well as formal Attorney General Opinions in response to requests from the legislature, state agencies, and the governor.

Attorney General Opinion 7260 was issued at the request of Senator Rick Jones, Senator Tonia Schuitmaker, Representative Mark Meadows, and Representative Kevin Cotter.

Formal opinions are available for review on the Attorney General's website, www.michigan.gov/agopinions.
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Hah! was posted a whole minute earlier here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=473643

Combine threads?

Great news, BTW.
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This is great news!!!! Think about what this is doing for the normalization of firearms. Brick by brick people!
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Good on them. Depressing for Kalifornians.
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This is great news!!!! Think about what this is doing for the normalization of firearms. Brick by brick people!
^This x1,000. Normalization is key.
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Good on them. Depressing for Kalifornians.
No it's not! We can now point to recent de-criminalizations as examples of no-blood-in-the-streets. This is good stuff. Like LTC, this **** needs to fall one card at a time.
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No it's not! We can now point to recent de-criminalizations as examples of no-blood-in-the-streets. This is good stuff. Like LTC, this **** needs to fall one card at a time.
Yup, some things are great to happen first in the anti-strongholds first like striking down of handgun bans, no-issue or may-issue policies and the other more egregious infringements of our rights. Its a lot easier to strike down more obviously unconstitutional laws first.

Other things we want to happen first in relatively gun friendly places like this in Michigan, constitutional carry elsewhere etc. Normalization is much easier there than here.
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Wouldn't it just take a good lawsuit here? A professional hunter or firearms testing/manufacturer to argue that the loud firearm is causing hearing damage. The law preventing the use of a suppressor wiould be causing the physical harm, ect.
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just have a pro gun dem carry the bill and push the noise pollution and hearing issue and bam...suppressors in calif.
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just have a pro gun dem carry the bill and push the noise pollution and hearing issue and bam...suppressors in calif.
The sad thing is, all they would have to do to legalize them here in CA is simply append the words "unless possessed in accordance with all Federal laws" to the current language.

Shortest bill ever. Greatest results.

That's exactly how they got them legalized in WA for shooting.
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On that basis I'd expect the CA political system to approve of them...
In CA it is only ok to kill babies BEFORE they are born.
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A friend said a funny thing to me.

"Other states want to make you shoot your gun as quiet as possible, CA wants you to be as loud as possible!"


Maybe it's true? Maybe they'll end up trying to pass a law on banning the noise of a gun?
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Or when. That is the creepy part.
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A friend said a funny thing to me.

"Other states want to make you shoot your gun as quiet as possible, CA wants you to be as loud as possible!"
In many other countries using a suppressor is called "being a polite shooter" and in some places: mandatory.
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Yeah, if the California legislature was really consistent with their beliefs instead of knee-jerk reactionary, you'd almost expect the likes of Portantino and DeLeon to make suppressors mandatory instead of illegal.

The way we hear it, Jerry Brown should have done this when he was AG. Any hope for such leadership now that he's Governator? Nah.
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A suppressor would be nice but I still want my 20 rd. magazines, dang it!

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In many other countries using a suppressor is called "being a polite shooter" and in some places: mandatory.
That is what scares me. While I want them legal, I don't want them required.
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The problem in the other 12 is that their knowledge of firearms comes from two places. The first - television and movies where silencers reduce the report of a firearm to a "pew pew" that can't even be heard five feet away indoors. The second - feel good legislation and pandering to soccermoms by Brady's and anti-gun politicians who paint anything gun related as terrible and dangerous.

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That is what scares me. While I want them legal, I don't want them required.
If I lived near a shooting range I'd probably want them required before, say, 7am.

But I'm funny like that and enjoy sleep.
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This is more good news about gun rights.
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Suppressor regulation in the states began with the intent of stopping poachers rather than gangsters (which was a Hollywood invention) as people began using them prolifically to poach game during the Great Depression. Ironically, in many European counties it's mandatory to use a suppressor when hunting because you're never very far from population centers and people don't want to listen to loud gunfire coming from the woods all day during hunting season.
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Suppressor regulation in the states began with the intent of stopping poachers rather than gangsters (which was a Hollywood invention) as people began using them prolifically to poach game during the Great Depression. Ironically, in many European counties it's mandatory to use a suppressor when hunting because you're never very far from population centers and people don't want to listen to loud gunfire coming from the woods all day during hunting season.
Yeah, ideally our law would be identical to what it looks like Michigan is going to have, but something "reasonable" for California would be mandating use of suppressor basically everywhere discharge of a firearm is currently illegal, but not requiring it everywhere discharge is legal. So you'd be good either way at a range, but in an urban area you'd want to have it, etc. That's the sort of convoluted and onerous thinking I would expect from this legislature.
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