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Old 06-13-2011, 8:32 PM
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any you guys seens this....first time for me.

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Old 06-13-2011, 8:38 PM
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Ive seen it, its a few years old. Sadly that Deputy was just way too nice of a guy.
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Please don't post stuff like this. What value could it possibly have to this forum?
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That video made me feel sick Poor officer.
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Wow. Very disturbing. People like that deserve to be executed.
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That was not fast enough -

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On January 28, 2000, the suspect was found guilty of murder and was sentenced to death two days later."
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Old 06-13-2011, 8:49 PM
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This video made me extremely upset the first time I watched it. A thousand things can be said about this but the one thing I always come away with is why didn't this officer shoot sooner and gain an upper hand on this derainged POS. I can't stand to watch it but it is what LEO have to face and these situations are not when they need to question weather or not they need to kill.......it sucks to say but this officer was out gunned but he could have stoped this before this guy had his first shots off. I don't know the circumstances of this incident but there was a point in my mind when the officer shoulda moved in and opend fire when the suspect was pulling the rifle from behind the seat, now having said that I don't know if I would of had it all together in this moment to take action but I have tried to train myself to be in that mindset. I can't help but to feel sorry for this officer and his family especially since this video is on you tube...just f-ing sad and it pis#es me off.
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Sad video indeed. This video is shown in most major POST academies as what NOT to do. Sad thing is, the perp is still alive and might not get executed even though he's been sentenced to death. His lawyers have been able to keep him alive via numerous appeals and a judge granting a stay in order to examine his mental status. The shooters daughter maintains he received mental and physical damage in Vietnam.
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really? unfortunate but i myself learned a lesson here...don't you thinks other can.
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Defintly sad. I'm not completely sure but I'm pretty sure there are some basic things the deputy did wrong.
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Yes, you can be sure. Some tactical mistakes there. Course, you never know how you're gonna act til you're in it.
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Wow. Its usefull only as police officer training video. Soon as he charged him he should have taken him down.
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That, and his second mistake was letting him go back to his car and reach in. Two opportunities to take command of the situation.
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intense video. the last thing i would want to say is it was a good learning experience... but holy sh1t. i feel terrible. even though in the centerfire forum.. it just made me realize what all the guns i do have, are capable of doing. Intense.

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The guy is obviously 5150, I woulda dropped him the moment I saw him pull a weapon. I question why he was so hesitant, he paid dearly for this mistake. Officer seems shrill and scared rather than commanding and in control. I'm sure that perceived weakness emboldened the bad guy. Feel real bad for the officer's family. Guys that wear badges are underpaid.
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RIP Deputy. Intense video for sure
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Or this one....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgqrt...el_video_title

Trooper Randall Vetter died from a gunshot wound he received four days earlier while conducting a traffic stop.

Trooper Vetter had stopped a 72-year-old driver for not wearing a seatbelt. While he was sitting in his patrol car, the suspect exited his vehicle and opened fire with a rifle. The trooper was struck in the head. Trooper Vetter was able to return fire but did not hit the suspect.

The suspect then used the patrol car's radio to say he shot the officer and then attempted to flee the scene. An off duty officer who was passing by, witnessed the shooting and alerted other officers. The suspect was then taken into custody after a brief standoff on the roadway. The suspect was known to local officers for claiming he would shoot any officer who tried to write him a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt. The suspect was convicted of murder and sentenced to life. He died in prison in 2008.

Trooper Vetter had served with the Texas Department of Public Safety for six years. He is survived by his wife and eight-month-old son.



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that video gave me the chills.......... especially his death scream.
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Ive seen it, its a few years old. Sadly that Deputy was just way too nice of a guy.
Excatly. One of my secondary FTO's, who is now the Undersheriff of the county I used to work for gave me a piece of sage advice "No matter what, always go home with all the toes and fingers you came to work with." As soon as dude started digging in his truck, the 870 would have been out of it's rack and pointed down range. When old boy put his hands on his weapon, it would have been all over.
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Trooper Randall Vetter died from a gunshot wound he received four days earlier while conducting a traffic stop.

Trooper Vetter had stopped a 72-year-old driver for not wearing a seatbelt. While he was sitting in his patrol car, the suspect exited his vehicle and opened fire with a rifle. The trooper was struck in the head. Trooper Vetter was able to return fire but did not hit the suspect.

The suspect then used the patrol car's radio to say he shot the officer and then attempted to flee the scene. An off duty officer who was passing by, witnessed the shooting and alerted other officers. The suspect was then taken into custody after a brief standoff on the roadway. The suspect was known to local officers for claiming he would shoot any officer who tried to write him a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt. The suspect was convicted of murder and sentenced to life. He died in prison in 2008.

Trooper Vetter had served with the Texas Department of Public Safety for six years. He is survived by his wife and eight-month-old son.


thats sad too, you can hear the officer in his death rattle, that snoring sound we make when trying to regain consciousness after the brain has shut us down.

I have said this 100 times. In order for an officer to go home safe at night they MUST treat all civilians as armed and willing to kill them.

We as civilians needs to treat all people we meet the same way.

We as civilians need to be armed.

Just like all guns are loaded, all civilians are armed. This is why we should be allowed CCW without permit...it should make no difference as to how LEO approach us.

On the flip side, we as civilians need to view every LEO as the guy who will violate the law to get a bust.

Its very rare LEO encounter some armed crazy who is going to kill them, but it happens enough to warrant their training....... And its rare to encounter LEO willing to lie, cheat and falsify testimony, but it happens enough to warrant invoking all your rights the second you are stopped.

very sad videos
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I feel for these LEOs. They paid the ultimate sacrifice. Disturbing and sad. RIP.
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Too bad, it should've been the other way 'round.
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Its very rare LEO encounter some armed crazy who is going to kill them, but it happens enough to warrant their training....... And its rare to encounter LEO willing to lie, cheat and falsify testimony, but it happens enough to warrant invoking all your rights the second you are stopped.
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I wonder exactly what 1000 people "like" about that first movie with Dep. Kyle Dinkheller...

See the top of the page...Over 1000 people have added that video to their facebook "Like" list...
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the audio is always the worst part for me. that is some bone chilling ****.
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I wonder exactly what 1000 people "like" about that first movie with Dep. Kyle Dinkheller...

See the top of the page...Over 1000 people have added that video to their facebook "Like" list...
I believe to it's to share the video on facebook. Tragic video
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Now thats one crazy redneck.

Very sad indeed.
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Now you know why officers get a little antsy when they see a firearm in a car that they have pulled over.

Police should get combat training. To think they are not in a hostile situation is very naive and potentially deadly.

As sad as this is, this happens a lot in this country.
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As sad as this is, this happens a lot in this country.
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Doubt it...Got any links on that?

Id say its pretty rare...
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These situations are very rare, and very sad.

I'm sorry, (you know what....no, I'm not sorry) but we put way too much emphasis on someone being "5150". Obviously this person is disturbed. But does that mean he didnt have a choice? As if he was under the compulsion of someone/something else to shoot and kill the officer? No, he had a choice. And he made it. He should pay the price for his decision. I dont care how much war crap he went through.....you dont go off killing innocent people or law enforcement officers. Same thing goes for Jared Loughner.....was he forced to do this by his own mind? No....he made his choice, crazy as it may be.

Capital Punishment has gone by the wayside in this country - there is now no fear of what might happen if you do these kinds of terrible things. Your sentence, however harsh, will likely be much less severe, and after years and years of court battles. There should be NO DELAY of paying the penalty for the crime committed: This is a crystal clear case with no doubt that this was the man who committed the crime.....justice needs to be served.

Our country is so screwed up...only the innocent pay the price.

My solution: Eye for an eye. Chop off the hands off of serious thieves, castrate the rapists and child molesters in a brutal way, throw acid on somebody - get acid thrown on you, death by firing squad for murder. These criminals have been given a punishment that is not befitting the crime......and we wonder why it's getting worse and worse! Maybe if we stop treating inhumane people "humanely", they'll think twice about committing the crimes that they do.

EDIT: I'm not advocating we quit out system of justice: I still fully believe in the innocent until proven guilty. But our system of punishment is not befitting of the crimes committed. But in the end, God will deal with them anyway, so I dont worry about it too much.
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Why in God's Name did they let this guy walk around with the rifle after the killing? Why didn't they drop him?
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Value? How about as how important it is to have a combat mindset and to survive a deadly situation? Or how important it is to think about that proverbial line in the sand ahead of time, before being in a situation like this happens?

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Wow. Its usefull only as police officer training video. Soon as he charged him he should have taken him down.
Only usefull for police training? Do you think all of our non police brotehrs and sisters learned anything from the video? Like what happens if you hesitate when you can reasonably determine where the situation is going?

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And in what forum should it be in? Like it or not, these things are hard to see, but they come with immense educational value.


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The bad guy crossed the line (several times) and the LE didnt act soon enough. IIRC, he had been recently admonished for being to quick to draw his gun or some other administrative crap like that. I am sure that was on his mind and contributed to his heistation if that was the case.

This has a lot of educational value to everyone. Yeah, in the end you might get arrested, tried and even convicted if you shoot someone, but you will only have that "privledge" if you live through it.

Fot those of you that dont like to watch stuff like this, then dont watch it. But many of us need to be reminded of a few things and this sort of real life tragedy helps remind us and educates us. If seeing this video saves someone else, then he did not die in vein, yes?
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Capital Punishment has gone by the wayside in this country - there is now no fear of what might happen if you do these kinds of terrible things. Your sentence, however harsh, will likely be much less severe, and after years and years of court battles.
That's a very good point. I think it's obvious to everyone that the perp was thinking pretty clearly about what the consequences of his actions would be. No doubt he was giving it very careful consideration, and it's plain that he decided, "Hell, the worst that will happen to me is I'll spend the rest of my life arguing in appeals courtrooms, so I may as well waste this cop right now."

Clearly, a swift and reliable death penalty would have saved this officer's life.
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Clearly, a swift and reliable death penalty would have saved this officer's life.
Sarcasm?

Personally I think it is worse to sit in a cage for the rest of your life...If I were going to die in prison I would just as rather take the needle and the shortcut to the inevitable.

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