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Old 06-15-2007, 4:50 PM
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Default List of Counties and their positions on OLL legality DISCUSSION THREAD

This is the discussion thread.

Please post reports in the 'list' thread:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?p=687463

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Old 06-15-2007, 5:36 PM
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I believe there is a case in San Bernardino. I think I remember the user on here that told us about it that the Sheriff was going to contact the DA to file charges, etc, but nothing else was said. PM if you want to know who it was (user name only). His AR was taken from him..probably because he wasn't shooting in the right area so I understand.
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If Bill or Gene or anyone else that feels competent in writing a letter that could be distributed to the individual DA's and or LE Agencies.

I will handle Butte County DA and LE Agencies if I had something to either mail or hand carry.


I could also handle Glenn, Tehama, Plumas counties.

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There is still the pending legal case of the 3 guys stopped in Newport/Huntington Beach with cracked winshield and the Sig hat on and the 3 OLL rifles. There has not been any updates and still hoping it goes well for those guy(s).
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Nope. Only 58 Counties and only 58 DAs. Allison taught us well.

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There is a guy on CalGuns that asked his DA what he thought and was cleared to have a OLL, cant remember which county though..

OK I remembered the guys screen name, I will PM him and see if he will PM Xeno to update.
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There is still the pending legal case of the 3 guys stopped in Newport/Huntington Beach with cracked winshield and the Sig hat on and the 3 OLL rifles. There has not been any updates and still hoping it goes well for those guy(s).
Hmm... okay, maybe I should put OC in both...
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Whatever happened to the Alameda county guy who left the discontector spring outwhile shooting at Davis street in front of a few chippies? Didnt Alameda PD take them down and search the home but never charged them?

Id say this was one of the first guys to get arrested with a OLL.
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Whatever happened to the Alameda county guy who left the discontector spring outwhile shooting at Davis street in front of a few chippies? Didnt Alameda PD take them down and search the home but never charged them? Id say this was one of the first guys to get arrested with a OLL.
I am not sure if this was OLL-related at all. I had heard these were not-bright gangy types "letting stuff rip".

Remember this was (approx) Jan 2006 when things were really just starting to get off the ground. Most of the init OLL purchasers were Calgunners or acquaintances of Calgunners and a few trusted FFL vendors, all of whom'd be smart enough not be associated w/full auto

I had heard there was an arrest but have no idea of further info -trial, conviction, etc.
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Remember this was (approx) Jan 2006 when things were really just starting to get off the ground. Most of the init OLL purchasers were Calgunners or acquaintances of Calgunners and a few trusted FFL vendors, all of whom'd be smart enough not be associated w/full auto.
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Any info on San Mateo? or San Fran? well ok how about the bay area in general? ie Los Altos R&G?Richmond?JacksonArms?
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Any info on San Mateo? or San Fran?
San Fran is highly antigun and DA office likely technically incompetent with backing of police.

They get SKSes confused with AKs all the time.

In SF, you should probably join a gang and shoot a cop to reduce your chances of punishment by Kamala Harris.


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well ok how about the bay area in general? ie Los Altos R&G? Richmond? JacksonArms?
All of these support lawful rifle activities. Legally-configured OLLs are shot there all the time - this also includes Chabot, where the July 7 Calguns NorCal Shoot-N-Q' will be held, and Coyote Point range on mid-Peninsula.
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San Fran is highly antigun and DA office likely technically incompetent with backing of police.

They get SKSes confused with AKs all the time.

In SF, you should probably join a gang and shoot a cop to reduce your chances of punishment by Kamala Harris.
Are you referring to this Kamala Harris...The girlfriend of Willie Brown who some think got elected because she is the girlfriend of Willie???

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/art...NG01HQVPA1.DTL

The one who said this to local news CBS 5 in San Francisco?

http://cbs5.com/local/local_story_136215501.html

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The idea, she contends, is to remind legal gun owners how to behave.

"Just because you legally possess a gun in the sanctity of your locked home doesn't mean that we're not going to walk into that home and check to see if you're being responsible and safe in the way that you conduct your affairs," Harris said.
The one who refuses to prosecute violent murder suspects?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris

You talking about that Kamala Harrris???
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Are you referring to this Kamala Harris..

You talking about that Kamala Harrris???
Most definitely I am.
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San Diego County: No prosecutions I am aware of. I have however heard noises from those who work with SD police, that assault weapon issues are actively discouraged in the sheriff's dept.

Also, just this last week I learned that a few SD Sheriffs' Dept guys (group buy, like 4-5 officers) ordered themselves some AK building supplies to do screw builds. They're planning on welding the mag latches just to be sure.

I would take this as good progress. I'm not sure how the situation is with the local PD's. Remember, the Sheriff's Dept is countywide, and SD is a big county. There could well be, for instance, a nest of anti's in SDPD. But everything I've seen at ranges shooting OLL's since Jan '06 seems to discount that.
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Are you referring to this Kamala Harris...The girlfriend of Willie Brown who some think got elected because she is the girlfriend of Willie???

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/art...NG01HQVPA1.DTL

The one who said this to local news CBS 5 in San Francisco?

http://cbs5.com/local/local_story_136215501.html



The one who refuses to prosecute violent murder suspects?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris

You talking about that Kamala Harrris???
The only DA that dumb I've heard of recently was disbarred this week.
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*cases still pending

Still fighting:
Los Angeles County - charges pending
Stanislaus County - charges pending

Where, what, when did the Stanislaus County case happen? Did I miss this one? Is there a thread on it?
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San Diego County: No prosecutions I am aware of. I have however heard noises from those who work with SD police, that assault weapon issues are actively discouraged in the sheriff's dept.

Also, just this last week I learned that a few SD Sheriffs' Dept guys (group buy, like 4-5 officers) ordered themselves some AK building supplies to do screw builds. They're planning on welding the mag latches just to be sure.

I would take this as good progress. I'm not sure how the situation is with the local PD's. Remember, the Sheriff's Dept is countywide, and SD is a big county. There could well be, for instance, a nest of anti's in SDPD. But everything I've seen at ranges shooting OLL's since Jan '06 seems to discount that.
if they weld the mag latches then how would they load the rifle?
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if they weld the mag latches then how would they load the rifle?
By removing the take down pin and loading it like a Bushmaster Carbon 15 rifle or through the ejection port. Probably the take down pin is best.
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Hmm.... I thought the list would be bigger than it currently is.
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By removing the take down pin and loading it like a Bushmaster Carbon 15 rifle or through the ejection port. Probably the take down pin is best.
You really can't scissor an AK open, and there isn't a takedown pin. But, you were on the right track, you do disassemble the action unless you're doing the ejection port loading.

Just pop off the cover, pull out the bolt carrier and bolt, then the mag is exposed so you can load it through the top.
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They like their politicians that dumb in SF. That's why they keep electing, and supporting them.

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Can you elaborate on the Kern County "Lack of Interest"? Thanks for your time!
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In the past 2+ months I've now heard of 5 LE contacts (traffic stops) w/OLL rifles.

One of these was a Sacto area Calgunner who fell asleep in his car after shooting, a burger and a beer - and after all was said and done the cop drove off with his wallet on top of the cruiser. But the Calgunner had his rifle and wasn't in the cooler.

The other 4 (possibly 3) are not Calgunners but reports of traffic stops without incident did reached secondhand. 2 were in SoCal and the other 1? 2? were in Northern CA.

[There are quite a few more OLL folks than Calguns members - it'd be great if we could have 50+K Calgunners - all of whom are NRA members!]
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[There are quite a few more OLL folks than Calguns members - it'd be great if we could have 50+K Calgunners - all of whom are NRA members!]
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Also, just this last week I learned that a few SD Sheriffs' Dept guys (group buy, like 4-5 officers) ordered themselves some AK building supplies to do screw builds. They're planning on welding the mag latches just to be sure.
Gram: you should show them hoff's new petition, and how the "info notice" memo got pulled... they probably had read the "notice" and scared of "bullet/screwdriver as a tool" not being OK.... with the positive action of DOJ, "bullet/screwdriver as a tool" fix mag builds are here to stay!!


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In the past 2+ months I've now heard of 5 LE contacts (traffic stops) w/OLL rifles.
Results of traffic stops DO NOT necessarily conclude the "DA's position" on OLLs. You may got lucky and bump into one of the cool cop, and the case never get to the DA. If you bumped into one that is not cool, the case may end up on the DA's desk, and he/she may decide to pursue it.... or at least, postpone and review it...


We really should actively pursue a "resolution" on this OLL issue. *sigh*....
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I know the norcal counties are not "against" the OLLs. If we can get something in writing from a few of these DAs, like SAS said, it could get the ball rolling. More tools to fight any kind of stupid prosecution.
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I shot my OLL (AK-style, not AR) over at the San Leandro Rifle & Pistol Range on Davis St without any incident multiple times. In fact, I had a CHP officer come over staring at it excitedly like a little kid and I let him shoot off a bunch of rounds. Also had an Officer from Richmond PD there see it, who wanted to shoot it also, but got called away on his phone and had to leave.

I even spent the time to explain to the CHP officer about the California Legal guns and he was all around just a cool officer. Hopefully that's not a rarity around here.

Though, most CHP I've ever run into have always been really laid back, funny guys.
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Though, most CHP I've ever run into have always been really laid back, funny guys.
For some reason, CHP seem usually to be more laid-back dudes than local cops or sheriff deputies.
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Could we keep general discussion in this thread to a minimum or in other threads?

I would really like this thread to be just reports of OLL/LE activity.

Thanks!
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For some reason, CHP seem usually to be more laid-back dudes than local cops or sheriff deputies.
How about this: Being pulled over going close to 115mph (it was an open freeway and I wanted to test out my little car! Yes, I know it was really stupid.) - being blatantly honest about the fact that I was going that fast, the officer being glad that I'm being so honest and lowering my ticket to 95, then bull****ting for like 10 minutes about CHP and joining and what-not.

Officers like that tend to make you like them and NOT be upset that you just got an expensive ticket. (it wasn't too bad)


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Could we keep general discussion in this thread to a minimum or in other threads?

I would really like this thread to be just reports of OLL/LE activity.
Good idea, but a thread is a thread.

Before you posted this I was thinking someone should start a LOCKED sticky thread with a single post that combines the RELEVANT, ACCURATE information from this (and maybe other) threads, by county, updated regularly.

Much better than sorting through the chatty hearsay of a thread if you are looking for concrete information.
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Well, this is a planned informative thread. I could just delete the content of the first post and let you chat...
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An LEO friend of mine said a bunch of LEO buddies of his all just bought OLLs. This is in Tuolumne county. IMO, it can only be a good thing when the cops are building rifles same as us.
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I just DROS'ed two AR-15's. The DOJ did whatever they do and teh rifles were legally purchased by me. If the State acknoweledges that and releases the DROS isn't that in itself a legal firearm? And if the STATE AG allows me to legally purchase a AR how can a DA in any of the 58 districts charge me with a crime under any state law?
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Old 07-24-2007, 9:24 AM
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The DOJ does not know what long arm you DROS. Just because you can submit a DROS on a firearm does not mean it is legal or illegal.

The DROS for a long gun is just a personal eligibility check. It has nothing to do with the long gun being purchased.
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