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Old 03-13-2011, 12:34 AM
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Default Pre-1899 teatfire/pinfire/caseless ammo replica no FFL required loophole?

Any gun made before Jan 1 1899 (and modern BP replicas thereof) does not need to go through a FFL. Skip to the bottom if you already know this and want to see the loophole I am proposing.

http://www.empirearms.com/pre-1899.htm
(16) The term “antique firearm” means—
(A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or
(B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica—
(i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
(ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or
(C) any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term “antique firearm” shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof.


Therefore, if a new, modern (post 1899) replica of an antique (pre 1899) firearm were somehow adapted to use any of these types of ammunition (or some novel one), without substantially redesigning the firearm itself (the ammo would have to be adapted/modified to still work)

TEATFIRE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teat-fire_cartridge
PINFIRE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinfire
CASELESS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caseless_ammunition

could said firearm be exempt from FFL transfers (these are neither rimfire nor centerfire cartridges)?

Also, for example, there are pinfire antique models that do not need to be redesigned at all, as they were originally designed for this cartridge type. See here http://www.penvuur.nl/. From reading this site, it looks like the Dutch have an antique exemption too !

Pinfire seems like the best bet right now. There seems to be many pinfire revolvers and shotguns, according to the wikipedia article.

Anyone else have any ideas? Think of the market: people who don't want to be on any government lists, felons, gun nuts...

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