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Old 10-02-2010, 12:06 AM
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Post First amendment rights... Against Calgunners? WTF

As I've already explained to 69mach1 and to leelaw:

As a company or anything in general for that matter, can't take away a members first amendment... As a forum and marketplace, you understandingly allow people to post and view what is known as there right to freedom of speech.

Example: Facebook can't tell people not to cuss, but instead the can take a single letter out of that one or more word(s) and replace it with a star sign.

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law "respecting an establishment of religion", impeding the free exercise of religion, infringing on the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

the first: I explained a factual base a a sellers product and get a warning!

Second time: I only said that I like it and bump... which is minimal... to say the least...

I've warned both moderators that if they continue to take members rights away they will suffer the lawsuit consequences!

69mach1's answer: You do not have a first amendment right to free speech on this private site. follow the rules, or good bye.

Leelaw's answer: Upon creation of your account, you agreed to abide by the terms of service of membership at Calguns.net. These terms include following all rules of the forums, including the Marketplace forum rules, as specified in the links which I have provided you twice now, and which are also posted at the top of each Marketplace forum for your convenience.

You will follow the rules, or your account will be limited. I look forward to you reviewing this with your attorney, who will tell you that you have no case whatsoever for a Constitutional Amendment rights violation.

I hope your attorney doesn't charge you too much for a remedial high school civics lesson.

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Old 10-02-2010, 12:09 AM
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Re-read the constitution?
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Old 10-02-2010, 12:11 AM
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This is a private forum.
I own it, I set the rules, I allow access as I see fit.
(Gee, I sound like ogre when I put it that way..)

You do NOT have a first Amendment right in a private venue.
Civics 101.
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See that part in bold?
That specifies who this Amendment is restricting, Congress, which means the Government, not private citizens.

Your 1st Amendment right to free speech is a guarantee against GOVERNMENT restriction of specific classes of speech and/or expression.

Your 1st Amendment right to free speech does NOT afford you any protection in private venues such as someone's home or business.

Think of it this way, if I come to your house and start spewing profanity in front of your child can you tell me to stop or to leave or are you bound by the 1st Amendment to just let me continue in your living room?
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This is going to hurt you a lot more than it's going to hurt me.

I still hope your lawyer doesn't charge you too much for the high school civics class that you slept through.
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Man... some people ain't even waitin' fro Prop 19 to pass!
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As I've already explained to 69mach1 and to leelaw:

As a company or anything in general for that matter, can't take away a members first amendment... As a forum and marketplace, you understandingly allow people to post and view what is known as there right to freedom of speech.

Example: Facebook can't tell people not to cuss, but instead the can take a single letter out of that one or more word(s) and replace it with a star sign.

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law "respecting an establishment of religion", impeding the free exercise of religion, infringing on the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

the first: I explained a factual base a a sellers product and get a warning!

Second time: I only said that I like it and bump... which is minimal... to say the least...

I've warned both moderators that if they continue to take members rights away they will suffer the lawsuit consequences!

69mach1's answer: You do not have a first amendment right to free speech on this private site. follow the rules, or good bye.

Leelaw's answer: Upon creation of your account, you agreed to abide by the terms of service of membership at Calguns.net. These terms include following all rules of the forums, including the Marketplace forum rules, as specified in the links which I have provided you twice now, and which are also posted at the top of each Marketplace forum for your convenience.

You will follow the rules, or your account will be limited. I look forward to you reviewing this with your attorney, who will tell you that you have no case whatsoever for a Constitutional Amendment rights violation.

I hope your attorney doesn't charge you too much for a remedial high school civics lesson.

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If you come into someone's house and they kick you out, because you're being an *** or just because they want to, you're out.

The US Constitution applies to the United States government interfering with us.

This is a privately owned message board.

I don't see the conflict here.
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Old 10-02-2010, 12:20 AM
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so, this thread was deleted, then put back up?
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Old 10-02-2010, 12:22 AM
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so, this thread was deleted, then put back up?
I think it is to the benefit of everyone else to see this thread....the OP seems to show a clear example of not understanding what the United States Constitution is all about.

There are a lot of Americans who don't seem to understand or make an effort to think about it.
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Old 10-02-2010, 12:23 AM
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Good stuff.
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Old 10-02-2010, 12:24 AM
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I think it is to the benefit of everyone else to see this thread....the OP seems to show a clear example of not understanding what the United States Constitution is all about.

There are a lot of Americans who don't seem to understand or make an effort to think about it.
I agree, just doesnt happen often
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I would, but it's against the rules

Good luck on your lawsuit! Tell us all how it goes, including that part about your lawyer laughing you out of his office.
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It's a 'teachable moment'....







I think I just vurped a little bit.
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This is a private site. The owner can go on a ban hammer spree if he chooses to do so just because he owns it without having to give any explanations. Sorry.

This is a dictatorship, an anarchy.

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I still hope your lawyer doesn't charge you too much for the high school civics class that you slept through.
Sorry they don't even teach that anymore.

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I've warned both moderators that if they continue to take members rights away they will suffer the lawsuit consequences!
I think it's time for....

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so, this thread was deleted, then put back up?
I moved it when I saw that PMs were posted, but then saw that this could be a teachable moment which could lend some needed brevity to the forum, and moved it back.
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You're free to say what you want but consider the consequences,like posts being removed or being banned.
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I moved it when I saw that PMs were posted, but then saw that this could be a teachable moment which could lend some needed brevity to the forum, and moved it back.
You moved it? What do you mean, you moved it? .... enjoy your tyranny while you can!
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OP, just wanted to let you know that I deleted a post here by another member who called you a mean name. Yup, I trampled all over his 1st Amendment right because he was calling you names.

And it's against the rules.

With that said, go 1st Amendment!:
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OP, just wanted to let you know that I deleted a post here by another member who called you a mean name. Yup, I trampled all over his 1st Amendment right because he was calling you names.

And it's against the rules.

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Why not just him & call it a night?

After this thread a reconciliation between both parties seems next to impossible.

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Well lookie here now OP... Mr. ogcsmn

It's all up to you... let me explain somethin...

Well, just hit play...

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You could always start your own site and yell and rant all you want.

Oh yeah..IBTL..
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Oh man that is great! Where's the button to nominate this thread for "Best of calguns"?
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to OP....

HAHAHAHAHAHAH BWHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA *catches breath* BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH BWHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA *catches breath* BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
+1 internetz for you!
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Cool, High Five Bro!
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This is good. I know my rights! Lol.
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Since you seem to be friendly to disclosure, let's add your side of the string, ok?

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As I've already explained to 69mach1 and have forwarded to my attorney

As a company or anything in general for that matter, can't take away a members first amendment... As a forum and marketplace, you understandingly allow people to post and view what is known as there right to freedom of speech.

Example: Facebook can't tell people not to cuss, but instead the can take a single letter out of that one or more word(s) and replace it with a star sign.

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law "respecting an establishment of religion", impeding the free exercise of religion, infringing on the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

I only said that I like it and bump... which is minimal... to say the least... Continue to take members rights away and and suffer the lawsuit consequences!
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Okay... I look forward to seeing you in court!
and lets not forget...

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Thanks for making a lawsuit case for me about unlawful 1 amendment restrictions and threatening, as this has been recorded and again forwarded to my attorney.

A private site requires a password upon entry. Your site can been seen by anyone but commented by members only.
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