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Old 09-14-2010, 12:21 PM
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Default AW registered to wife

Let's say a wife purchased a colt ar prior to the aw registration to give to her husband as a suprise gift. Transfer of a long gun between spouses is ok and required no paperwork. Then aw ban comes into play so wife registers aw to abide by new law. Can the husband still use the ar??? Was told you can't "loan" an aw.
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Old 09-14-2010, 12:33 PM
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You can use the AW if she is there with you at the time. She cannot loan it to you. What's more, she would be well advised to keep it in a safe to which you do not have access.

This may be community property, but it is not a community use item.
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1.) "Lending an AW" implies the registree must continually be in the shooter's presence.

It is different than the "infreqent loan" lending of a gun where the owner does not have to be present.

2.) Those under 18 cannot shoot reg'd AWs even though Pops is
standing over Junior's shoulder.

3.) The wife should have jointly registered the AW with DOJ in both husband and wife's names; dual registration was possible.
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I hope she takes up shooting as a hobby She has a PHAT hook up!
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2.) Those under 18 cannot shoot reg'd AWs even though Pops is
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This I do not get at all.
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This I do not get at all.
Why don't you get it? It's in the Penal Code.
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2.) Those under 18 cannot shoot reg'd AWs even though Pops is standing over Junior's shoulder.
I think you just found another use for a Cat3 RAW with a Prince50. Lock in a 10 round mag to teach Junior...
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I think you just found another use for a Cat3 RAW with a Prince50. Lock in a 10 round mag to teach Junior...
Yep. Or drop a 22LR bolt carrier in a Cat 3 reg'd AW.

(Just remember that if it's centerfire semiauto non-AW it's gotta be 30" min. OAL)

I'll be doing this for my Cat 3 reg'd AR AWs (yes, there are a few out there!) to avoid 'specific destination' transport restrictions.
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This I do not get at all.
It's because RAW's are so evil.

The state is protecting your children from the inherent evilness of a black rifle.

You should be grateful to your masters.
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Why don't you get it? It's in the Penal Code.
I understand its Penal Code but why can't a minor shoot a RAW?
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This I do not get at all.

You don't have to get it. You only have to comply with it. Remember the idiots who vote for these insane laws usually have some protection detail or can get a means to protect themselves or feel the laws don't apply to them.
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I understand its Penal Code but why can't a minor shoot a RAW?
It's just a law, and like many others there is no logic behind it.
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This I do not get at all.
Its because the state legislature believes AW's are only useful for mass murder, so why would you want to involve a child in your murder spree? It makes perfect sense if your only information about firearms comes from rated R movies.
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It's because RAW's are so evil.

The state is protecting your children from the inherent evilness of a black rifle.

You should be grateful to your masters.
I must've missed that memo because my 12 and 15 yr old daughters have their own EBRs.
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Its because the state legislature believes AW's are only useful for mass murder, so why would you want to involve a child in your murder spree? It makes perfect sense if your only information about firearms comes from rated R movies.
No, they don't want you to train your kid in the mass murdering of puppies and kittens.
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I must've missed that memo because my 12 and 15 yr old daughters have their own EBRs.
Right. But if they didn't have a Bullet Button on their EBR's they would surely have committed mass murder by now. The BB makes all the difference!
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I understand its Penal Code but why can't a minor shoot a RAW?
The ONLY answer to that question is "Because it is in the Penal Code".
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Yep. Or drop a 22LR bolt carrier in a Cat 3 reg'd AW.

(Just remember that if it's centerfire semiauto non-AW it's gotta be 30" min. OAL)

I'll be doing this for my Cat 3 reg'd AR AWs (yes, there are a few out there!) to avoid 'specific destination' transport restrictions.
Might be one place where a prince50 set screw mag release would be really handy.
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Can anyone think of another personal possession that can not be willed, can not be legally passed on to one's heirs? CA AW law is offensive on many levels, it hits home when I'm out of state & see them in stores & realize "they're just plain old semi auto rifles" - but the "when you go, they go with you" realization is even worse. So, is there anything else out there in the same boat?
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Can anyone think of another personal possession that can not be willed, can not be legally passed on to one's heirs? CA AW law is offensive on many levels, it hits home when I'm out of state & see them in stores & realize "they're just plain old semi auto rifles" - but the "when you go, they go with you" realization is even worse. So, is there anything else out there in the same boat?
High cap mags
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Might be one place where a prince50 set screw mag release would be really handy.
Yes! I've already been doing this for 6ish months or so.
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I think you just found another use for a Cat3 RAW with a Prince50. Lock in a 10 round mag to teach Junior...
For the OP, it is doubtful an older Colt is going to be a category III. Named AWs, or category I and II, this will not work. Tell them what the model is and these guys will help you.
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Can anyone think of another personal possession that can not be willed, can not be legally passed on to one's heirs? CA AW law is offensive on many levels, it hits home when I'm out of state & see them in stores & realize "they're just plain old semi auto rifles" - but the "when you go, they go with you" realization is even worse. So, is there anything else out there in the same boat?
Actually, it's even better than that. Imagine this scenario:

I marry a woman. She purchases an AW pre-registration. Legally, I own half of the rifle. She (and only she) registers it. In 2010, she dies.

I now legally own all of the rifle, but am unable to possess it.

Magazines don't have that problem, since there's no registration required.
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Actually, it's even better than that. Imagine this scenario:

I marry a woman. She purchases an AW pre-registration. Legally, I own half of the rifle. She (and only she) registers it. In 2010, she dies.

I now legally own all of the rifle, but am unable to possess it.

Magazines don't have that problem, since there's no registration required.
I suppose the state's response is "you can sell it". I think we all know showing up at an out of state & businesswise FFL with an "CA AW" is a pretty efficient way of turning a $3,000.00 FAL into a $1,300.00 bargain for someone else.
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Actually, it's even better than that. Imagine this scenario:
I marry a woman. She purchases an AW pre-registration. Legally, I own half of the rifle. She (and only she) registers it. In 2010, she dies.
and.........you toss the reciever and use an OLL and a bullet button. That's better than nothing.

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High cap mags
Actually, not really.

If a resident of your home dies and leaves a bunch of high-cap mags with you, no law is broken if/when you take possession of them.

In fact, it's a very specific and weird scenario where someone would come into legal possession of high cap mags by actually finding them.
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In fact, it's a very specific and weird scenario where someone would come into legal possession of high cap mags by actually finding them.
Aw, crap. Now we're gonna have people talking about how, hypothetically, if you murdered your buddy and took all his high caps, you wouldn't be violating 12020...
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Aw, crap. Now we're gonna have people talking about how, hypothetically, if you murdered your buddy and took all his high caps, you wouldn't be violating 12020...
Well, ok, you might not be TECHNICALLY in violation of 12020, but who cares? At that point you've got bigger issues
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Well, ok, you might not be TECHNICALLY in violation of 12020, but who cares? At that point you've got bigger issues
you plead to the 12020 charge in order to get them to drop the murder charges. Isn't that the way plea bargains work
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Right. But if they didn't have a Bullet Button on their EBR's they would surely have committed mass murder by now. The BB makes all the difference!
OH!! That's RIGHT!!!! I'm sure the fact that they can change magazines nearly as fast as a free drop mag change... Oh, THAT'S right The BB is "White Magic" used to tame the EBR! You're right, I now must prostrate before a picture of Babbs Boxer and ask forgiveness.
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