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Old 07-09-2010, 9:55 AM
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Hey everyone,
after shooting .22 LR for a while, I think I may be in the market for something with a little more "oomph".

What is the best caliber to shoot after .22 LR? I'm looking for something relatively cheap, common (I'd like to buy it locally), and with "medium" recoil (I'm 155lbs).

Rifle suggestions also welcome. I'd like to get the "10/22" of whatever caliber I end up with (something durable, easy to fix, w/ plenty of tutorials online).
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Old 07-09-2010, 10:00 AM
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17 hmr

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Old 07-09-2010, 10:05 AM
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This is the next step up to the 22LR.

Its just a over sized 22RRLR (really really LARGE rifle)



jk. haha, .223 will be good, but I perfer you jump to shotgun like .410, .20 and .12g then come back to rifle and their all a sinch to shoot.
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I know this is the centerfire section- have you considered a pistol caliber carbine?

also, if you find .22 mag available readily (here it's available if you shop around a little) it'd be a step up from the old faithful .22 LR caliber
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youre gonna hear this a million times, but--- "get an ar!"

definitely the 10/22 of centerfire, and ammo is widely available.
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Old 07-09-2010, 10:24 AM
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I suggest either an AR-type in 5.56,

or

an AK type in 7.62x39mm or 5.45x39mm
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Old 07-09-2010, 10:33 AM
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I suggest either an AR-type in 5.56,

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an AK type in 7.62x39mm or 5.45x39mm
yep.
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Old 07-09-2010, 11:22 AM
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Put me with the AR / AK folks. They're ubiquitous and inexpensive as are parts and accessories.

Ammo is also relatively inexpensive -- this should be one of your major considerations.
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Old 07-09-2010, 1:27 PM
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I'm only 140# and shoot a 308. Probably my absolute favorite gun, even over my old Noveske N4. But I'm fishing building a 22LR trainer that I will never give up.
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Old 07-09-2010, 1:32 PM
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A Saiga in 7.62X39 might fit your bill. It's not as expensive as an AR, and the ammo is cheap.
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.223 AR
M1 Carbine.

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Its time for to get AR/AK
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Old 07-09-2010, 1:42 PM
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+1 for AR/AK. Cost of ammo is a huge factor in deciding whether the gun goes to the range or stays in the safe. AR/AK rounds, while certainly more than 22lr, won't break your bank.
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AR/M4
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The 10/22 of center-fires would be the Mini-14 in .223.
Worth looking into, anyway.
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Next step up - .17HMR
Next step down - .223


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To the AR fans, I was just kidding, so don't get your panties in a bunch.
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Old 07-09-2010, 3:14 PM
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How bout an AK in 223.

Shoot all the Russian 223/556 without any worry about gumming up your chamber, etc.

Russian 223 ammo alot cheaper than the American stuff.
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if you are looking for rimfire, 22mag or 17hmr. although the rimfire section will give you more tips.

if you are ready for centerfire, 223 is probably it. the popularity makes the ammo cheaper. but expect to pay 10X the price as compared to 22LR.
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Old 07-09-2010, 3:59 PM
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I've been working my way down actually, I started with 762x54r then to 762x39, and minus a shotgun I just picked up my first 22lr!

If you want cheap and easy 762x39 is hard to argue with. As mentioned, carbines that shoot pistol cals like 9mm def fit the bill too.
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Old 07-09-2010, 7:40 PM
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I second the mini-14 .223 idea. They function with pretty much any ammo brand, reliable, relatively cheap ammo and an easy start to rifle shooting with slightly less to worry about as far as technicalities are concerned compared to an AR type. A Saiga .223 or 7.62x39 is also a good option, and for a lower price also. A ranch rifle is nice because they come with nice scope rings and work pretty well with a scope, IMHO. Either way you'd go, you get lots more powerful round, and not much more in recoil which is always nice. Building an AR or buying one is always fun, just gonna cost a little more money.
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+1 to AR or AK
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Old 07-09-2010, 8:09 PM
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17hmr for rimfire and .223 for centerfire for sure...
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Old 07-09-2010, 8:21 PM
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Sling shot!!

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j/k...AR is a great way to go. I spent a few months with my 10/22 before deciding on an AR. I couldn't be happier.
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If you are on a budget, the next step is...



If you are a big spender, then the next step is...

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Mini 14/30 or my favorite the AR15 in 5.56
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Old 07-11-2010, 9:18 AM
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Alright, I have decided on .223/5.56.

Mini-14's are selling for around $800 retail around here, but I am skeptical about their accuracy. One person reported 4" groups at 100 yards with a mini-14, while he had 1" groups with an AR!

Is it possible to build a complete AR (medium tier) for $800-$1000? I may have to make another thread for AR questions :|
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Alright, I have decided on .223/5.56.

Mini-14's are selling for around $800 retail around here, but I am skeptical about their accuracy. One person reported 4" groups at 100 yards with a mini-14, while he had 1" groups with an AR!

Is it possible to build a complete AR (medium tier) for $800-$1000? I may have to make another thread for AR questions :|
good grades ARs home buit cost about $800-1000. From your OP you want to home build.

Go to a local Gunshop and find out whats the total cost of a Stripped Lower out the door.
Then go to Stag or Spikes or Bravo Company website and order;
1) Lower Parts Kit
2) Stock Kit
3) Complete Upper (barrel + Bolt carrier Group with Charging handle)

Go to one of this sites sponsors like RifleGear or Bullet Button .com and order a Bullet Button.

If you want a detachable magazine AR15, you need a modified grip. Research those options here.

You can also just buy a complete AR of know good quailty from a gun shop for $800-$1000.
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Alright, I have decided on .223/5.56.

Mini-14's are selling for around $800 retail around here, but I am skeptical about their accuracy. One person reported 4" groups at 100 yards with a mini-14, while he had 1" groups with an AR!

Is it possible to build a complete AR (medium tier) for $800-$1000? I may have to make another thread for AR questions :|
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I didn't see it mentioned, but an AR isn't going to kick much more than your .22lr, so you should be comfortable with it from the beginning.
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If you are on a budget, the next step is...



If you are a big spender, then the next step is...

My vote is for the SKS
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AK pattern or AR...Oomph you will want AK pattern.
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Its just a over sized 22RRLR (really really LARGE rifle)





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AK. cheap, fun, low maintainance. user friendly and a huge cool factor. just say da.
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There is no "step up" from .22lr. Instead, you will just be stepping sideways into a different area.
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Alright, I have decided on .223/5.56.

Mini-14's are selling for around $800 retail around here, but I am skeptical about their accuracy. One person reported 4" groups at 100 yards with a mini-14, while he had 1" groups with an AR!

Is it possible to build a complete AR (medium tier) for $800-$1000? I may have to make another thread for AR questions :|
Yes. Where are you?

If you are near San Jose, I can sell you my Bushmaster Carbon-15 type 97 for $800 (+ $30 shipping, + ~$30 BB, +$35 PPT) = $900 to your hands. (No magazine though. So single shot until you buy a mag.) Type 97 is stainless fluted barrel w/ flat top. This rifle is light, ~4lbs and works great in 3 gun events.
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Shop online for better pricing on Mini-14/30's; try, for example, http://www.budsgunshop.com.

.223 will typically run about $.30-40/rd.

7.62x39 will typically run about $.20-25/rd, but some ranges may not allow steel-cased ammo (my local range in Oceanside does not).
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j1133s, I'm actually shopping around right now. I don't have the money to buy a complete AR at the moment so I'm going to get it in parts.

JohnFLand, I think .223 will drop to 7.62x39 prices once suburban SHTF commandos are forced to clear out the garage by the Mrs.!
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