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Old 06-24-2010, 8:07 AM
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Guess you didn't get my PM's..
I think that email notifications are broken at the moment.
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Look, I was joking and that was in bad taste.

However.

If it was me, I'd wait until McDonald to apply. Five friggin' days, guys. Seriously. Apply the day McDonald comes down. That will send an unmistakable "don't screw with me" message without you saying a word.
No, no waiting. As they're requiring appointments timing doesn't matter.
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Guess you didn't get my PM's..
No sir. I did not I did not receive any PMs from you and I just went and double checked. Hmm....wonder where they went? Well thank you for responding, sorry I didn't get them.
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I sent you a PM this morning, as well...
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Did you get approved then?
My letter is on the way.

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Can you explain what this is about?
Part of the application has you list all of your traffic violations. They want citation number, date, violations, issuing agency, court docket, and outcome. Good luck finding that info without some assistance; I did not want my application rejected on a technicality.
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Part of the application has you list all of your traffic violations. They want citation number, date, violations, issuing agency, court docket, and outcome. Good luck finding that info without some assistance; I did not want my application rejected on a technicality.
Awesome, keep us posted! Did you use self defense or did you have some sort of "good cause"?
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May I ask what was your good cause statement?
It's generally frowned upon to discuss GC statements in public forums. Reasoning is that once a permit is issues with a statement then a bunch of guys copy it then the LEA starts rejecting all of those applications.

It has to be accurate, I read it on the Internet.
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It's generally frowned upon to discuss GC statements in public forums. Reasoning is that once a permit is issues with a statement then a bunch of guys copy it then the LEA starts rejecting all of those applications.

It has to be accurate, I read it on the Internet.
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Unless your good cause statement is stupidly simple (self defense or personal protection), you should not post a good cause statement online for any reason. If there is anyone here who is reading this thread, who wants to apply but is afraid of doing so, please PM me. I'll give you the information you need to succeed. Got it?
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I'm afraid I have to agree. I saw a REALLY bad scene happen on the old packing.org forums...a guy discussed too much details and a "witch-hunt" started because some didn't believe what he was saying. (He wasn't lying it turns out.) They ended up calling his bosses and damn near got him fired.

Some people lose all concept of basic morality and sanity just because they're behind a keyboard and use a "screen name".
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Unless your good cause statement is stupidly simple (self defense or personal protection), you should not post a good cause statement online for any reason. If there is anyone here who is reading this thread, who wants to apply but is afraid of doing so, please PM me. I'll give you the information you need to succeed. Got it?
Gray, I've sent you two PM's regarding this and haven't heard back from you. Just curious, did you not get them or you didn't want to respond?

Edited to add: Thanks for the reply, Gray!

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I'm afraid I have to agree. I saw a REALLY bad scene happen on the old packing.org forums...a guy discussed too much details and a "witch-hunt" started because some didn't believe what he was saying. (He wasn't lying it turns out.) They ended up calling his bosses and damn near got him fired.

Some people lose all concept of basic morality and sanity just because they're behind a keyboard and use a "screen name".
Oh How I agree. Screen names make anonymous statements virtually worthless. What part of your statement is causing you to hide behind a screen name? If you want any credibility take credit!

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There have been a lot of people lately who have started to publicly "decloak" in these forums. I think it is an excellent trend. I know that some cannot because their livelihood might be at risk if their employers found out they are politically active but for the majority of us "decloaking" brings credibility and accountability.
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Based on McDonald, I believe all you should need to do is apply and put the words "Self defense as granted by the US Supreme Court" and you should get your CCW.
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Based on McDonald, I believe all you should need to do is apply and put the words "Self defense as granted by the US Supreme Court" and you should get your CCW.
Hoo Rah!
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Based on McDonald, I believe all you should need to do is apply and put the words "Self defense as granted by the US Supreme Court" and you should get your CCW.
I'm not sure it's gonna be that easy...

But I suppose we shall see
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I'm not sure it's gonna be that easy...

But I suppose we shall see
Actually, it should be (and surely will be).

Good cause = self defense.
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Based on McDonald, I believe all you should need to do is apply and put the words "Self defense as granted by the US Supreme Court" and you should get your CCW.
I said Hoo Rah before I realized that (being so distant from this race) that Bret Daniels came in a distant third, and therefore this is not the wonderful news I had thought it was.

Maybe you should think of asking Kestryll if you can change your screen name, Bret? Nice try, perhaps, but you simply aren't the Sheriff, as your name implies.
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Actually, it should be (and surely will be).

Good cause = self defense.
My understanding was that we will have to wait for things to get to that point. I'm not saying it won't get there eventually, but I have a hard time believing every single person in every CA county will be issued a CCW using self defense if they simply applied.
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My understanding was that we will have to wait for things to get to that point. I'm not saying it won't get there eventually, but I have a hard time believing every single person in every CA county will be issued a CCW using self defense if they simply applied.
You're missing my point.

I'm not talking about California *right now*, I'm speaking to something a bit closer to your application.
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I said Hoo Rah before I realized that (being so distant from this race) that Bret Daniels came in a distant third, and therefore this is not the wonderful news I had thought it was.

Maybe you should think of asking Kestryll if you can change your screen name, Bret? Nice try, perhaps, but you simply aren't the Sheriff, as your name implies.
Sorry for the confusion buddy. I just got back into posting again since the election and will try to get the name changed.
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Sorry for the confusion buddy. I just got back into posting again since the election and will try to get the name changed.
No problem. I'm sure Kestryll will consider that to be a reasonable request.
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Thanks, request has been sent.
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Sacramento County Sheriff John McGinniss just on the radio saying McDonald does nothing to change CA law or issuing CCW's. Seems to me the case should invalidate PC 12031 at a minimum and make all states "Shall Issue".
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You will always be the Sheriff we need:

Bret does have a point. Do I need to amend my GC letter? I have a good SD argument. Do I dare mention the SCOTUS decision in my GC letter?
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Sacramento County Sheriff John McGinniss just on the radio saying McDonald does nothing to change CA law or issuing CCW's. Seems to me the case should invalidate PC 12031 at a minimum and make all states "Shall Issue".
If banning open carry goes through and gets signed into law then you might be right. At that point we will only have one method of carrying per SCOTUS rulling and that is concealed carry.
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"I am interested in a concealed carry permit so as to exercise my Second Amendment right of self defense."
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Are you implying we tear up our self defense good cause letter and go with this? or is this sarcasm in light of todays ruling?
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I'm sticking to my self defense statement. I'm sick of getting 9 million different answers from everyone on here. I'm getting frustrated because I'm really not sure who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't
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Thanks, request has been sent.

And, apparently approved.

Let's hope that one day you can be reinstalled as "Sheriff Bret Damiels."

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Please apply for one. Given today's events, you should base your statement of good cause on a simple statement: You want one for Self Defense.

I have a CCW. I received it from the Sac County Sheriff this year. Keep it simple and you can get one too.

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Are you implying we tear up our self defense good cause letter and go with this? or is this sarcasm in light of todays ruling?
I think it is pretty safe to say, YES to the good cause and no to the sarcasm.
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That can be frustrating.

For the "official" CGF line look toward hoffmang, wildhawker and bwiese. You can also PM them if you would like to ask a question directly, they are quite approachable. There are also other CGF board members here such as TheQuark, you can usually identify them by their sig line.

Billy Jack and Glock22Fan have a TON of experience in helping people navigate the traditional CCW waters. They have often offered to help with an initial application for free. If you get rejected and choose to use their services to appeal it isn't free but I have only heard good things about their batting average.

The rest are volunteers at some level or another. Gray is doing a lot of work with CGF on the CCW compliance right now so he's a good contact who can give you the straight scoop.

As for the rest, you'll have to read peoples' posts here and other places and make up your own mind on who to rely upon and who to read "for entertainment purposes only."
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Billy Jack and Glock22Fan have a TON of experience in helping people navigate the traditional CCW waters. They have often offered to help with an initial application for free. If you get rejected and choose to use their services to appeal it isn't free but I have only heard good things about their batting average.
Thank you, Dan, much appreciated. We will indeed always help an initial applicant for free, right through to the denial of any appeal (should that turn out to be the case). Some people don't like it when we tell them they are wasting their time, but we can usually help improve the chances of people who have a reasonable possibility of success and the willingness to take our advice. Money doesn't enter into it unless and until it is necessary to involve attorneys or do investigative work into the department's files.

We do ask that applicants study the pages on our site, particularly those under "Getting Started" before asking us for help. An informed applicant is a prepared applicant.
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Thank you, Dan, much appreciated. We will indeed always help an initial applicant for free, right through to the denial of any appeal (should that turn out to be the case). Some people don't like it when we tell them they are wasting their time, but we can usually help improve the chances of people who have a reasonable possibility of success and the willingness to take our advice. Money doesn't enter into it unless and until it is necessary to involve attorneys or do investigative work into the department's files.

We do ask that applicants study the pages on our site, particularly those under "Getting Started" before asking us for help. An informed applicant is a prepared applicant.
But good luck getting a reply from these guys (TBJ) when you actually do try to get a hold of them...
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Folks should feel comfortable applying with a well written self defense based good cause statement.

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My experience has been very positive with them. They have been helpful and responsive to my requests for assistance. No trouble at all in fact.
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Sacramento would declare martial law sooner than they'd meet with Gandhi, Gautama Budda, and Jesus Christ if the three were packing heat.
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Even people not from San Francisco can appreciate a good public spanking like this.
WANTED: G19. New or near new condition in Sacramento area.
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