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Old 06-08-2010, 9:00 PM
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AP is already calling Gov's race for Meg Whitman.
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That's pretty much what we all expected. Now it will be interesting seeing her finally go up against Jerry Brown.
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Meg...Meg...She's our man.....If she can't do it...... GREAT!

Sorry. I have 5 kids and I couldn't help throwing in an Aladdin quote.
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Either way we are not going to be in good shape with out new gov.
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So. I take it that no one thinks that a 3rd party candidate is going to win this?
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No, a third party candidate is not going to win this thing.
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Further proof that elections are bought, not earned.
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Meg is anti-gun.

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Look at it this way; When Meg Whitman loses to Jerry Brown in the General Election in November she'll have stimulated the California economy by dumping a ton of her cash into a hopeless race.

She's so thoughtful.
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Yap. Any Jerry Brown is pro-gun, correct?
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Look at it this way; When Meg Whitman loses to Jerry Brown in the General Election in November she'll have stimulated the California economy by dumping a ton of her cash into a hopeless race.

She's so thoughtful.
LOL. She obviously has no problem "spending". Remind you of anyone?
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I watched the Primary debate between her and Poizner. A question was asked about how Poizner felt about the current bill to ban open carry and if he was against it. He went on about supporting the 2nd etc and said that California has enough gun laws.

Meg was asked to reply to the same question. She said something like, Huh? Oh, yea, what he said. And changed the topic back to a point she tried to make in a previous question.

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Yap. Any Jerry Brown is pro-gun, correct?
JB is mildly pro-gun - i.e, supportive from a civil rights standpoint, as opposed to a day-to-day shooter - which is what we need to win. Being a rational man, he's not gonna see the value of stupid gun laws esp in a broke state.
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JB is mildly pro-gun - i.e, supportive from a civil rights standpoint, as opposed to a day-to-day shooter - which is what we need to win. Being a rational man, he's not gonna see the value of stupid gun laws esp in a broke state.
As AG was Brown in any position to change anything with the curent laws?
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JB is mildly pro-gun - i.e, supportive from a civil rights standpoint, as opposed to a day-to-day shooter - which is what we need to win. Being a rational man, he's not gonna see the value of stupid gun laws esp in a broke state.
That's exactly right. And, this is a reason he wasn't so off-putting to Democratic voters. He isn't labled a "gun-nut".

Party stigmas fuel prejudice as well.
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As AG was Brown in any position to change anything with the curent laws?
Yes.

Here is what happened under his tenure:
1. Division of Firearms demoted to Bureau.
2. Iggy's gone.
3. "Permanence" rulemaking tossed out.
4. Refocus BoF on actually prohibited people.
5. AG/DOJ/BoF supported no anti-gun legislation (and in fact opposed some.)
6. Brown filed an Amicus w/ SCOTUS asking them to grant McDonald and asking SCOTUS to incorporate the right to arms because CA has no constitutional RKBA.
7. Alison Merrilees is no longer at BoF.

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So what if JB loses because of Obama backlash? Then he's no longer AG, we have a victim disarmer in his former office, and a victim disarmer (assuming MW beats SP) as governor signing every criminal safety bill that crosses her desk.
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So what if JB loses because of Obama backlash? Then he's no longer AG, we have a victim disarmer in his former office, and a victim disarmer (assuming MW beats SP) as governor signing every criminal safety bill that crosses her desk.
Meg won. Life sucks. Elections have consequences.

The AG's race is more important in many ways and Cooley leading is not so good.

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As AG was Brown in any position to change anything with the curent laws?
Not really. When Bill Lockyer was AG, he politicized the AG's office and filled them with Bradyite sycophants like Allison Merrillees, Randy Rossi, and Iggy Chin. Now all of them are gone, the Division of Firearms is now a bureau, and they don't really waltz into the Legislature and lobby for anything, leaving that purely to Brown himself.
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I am concerned that Meg may actually become Gov. ( feeling sick ) I see old vs. youth and I'm getting flashbacks.

Mummy, I'm scared............. make the balding lady go away.
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Yes.

Here is what happened under his tenure:
1. Division of Firearms demoted to Bureau.
2. Iggy's gone.
3. "Permanence" rulemaking tossed out.
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5. AG/DOJ/BoF supported no anti-gun legislation (and in fact opposed some.)
6. Brown filed an Amicus w/ SCOTUS asking them to grant McDonald and asking SCOTUS to incorporate the right to arms because CA has no constitutional RKBA.
7. Alison Merrilees is no longer at BoF.

And some more fun stuff possibly in the next "two weeks."

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I never got that memo. Good news! That place needs to run on a skeleton crew.
There was no reason for being too loud. Alison has gone back to the legislature which is generally a better fit for her.

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Meg...Meg...She's our man.....If she can't do it...... GREAT!

Sorry. I have 5 kids and I couldn't help throwing in an Aladdin quote.
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how can the ap call meg winner if 1/6th of the polls have reported??????????
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Here is what happened under his tenure:....

And some more fun stuff possibly in the next "two weeks."

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You are such a tease!

My wish: New AG Opinion re. CCW GC post McDonald declaring SD is sufficient GC.
ETA: If JB waits to do this until after the Nov election, that would make me just as happy!
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Oh well, looks like I'll be voting third party in November. Not voting for someone like Brown or Whitman. You might as well ask me which poison I want based on the manner in which they'll kill me. If I'm going to get one or the other anyways, I may as well not have supported it.
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Her nomination is just proof that either, votes were bought or Republicans in California are just dumb and voted for a progressive-Republican like Linsey Graham or Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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Her nomination is just proof that either, votes were bought
or Republicans in California are just dumb and voted for a
progressive-Republican like Linsey Graham or Arnold
Schwarzenegger.
The CA Republican party is defective in that it is run by Orange County "conservatives".

These folks cannot win a statewide election - often due to issues surrounding anti-abortion stance (losing issue in CA) and perceived religious bias (Prop 8) - correctly or not. They've shifted so far right that there's a bounceback to the statism of Meg. And the party management seems happy with their affirmative-action 'safe seats'.

Because of the above, the CA R party can no longer run someone up its ranks to have a chance at winning a statewide election - so outsiders like Arnie, Meg or Poizner who "buy the label" drop in and occupy the void.
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Meg is the reason we had to create Gpal! Keep in mind, if she has already spent 70 million of her own money on just her campaign, imagine what she will do with the states money or lack there of. Everyone is giving her credit for Google/Ebay etc and how she's an amazing business woman. Google is a company that runs itself because it has become a necessity in our every day lives. The need made that damn company successful, not her!
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What are the chances of Meg, Gavin & Kamala winning. However slim, there is that chance and it scares the bugger out of me
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Where does she stand on Gun Control and CCW issues?
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she has already spent 70 million of her own money on just her campaign, imagine what she will do with the states money or lack there of.
You can be confident that every penny of the money she personally put into her campaign is a loan. If she wins, she will "solicit" donations from people who have money and political desires/needs. Those donations will go directly into her pocket to pay back her "loans" to the campaign. Add another $80 or more from her pocket to this total by the time the general election is over and she will be looking for $150 Million dollars in donations that will be going directly into her pocket. Do you think the people/companies who pay these donations directly into the governor's pockets will get any special treatment?
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Meg is very anti gun! She is the reason gun broker and gpal exist. No matter what she says now, her record shows she is very anti gun!
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So. I take it that no one thinks that a 3rd party candidate is going to win this?
And here I thought Chelene Nightingale was going to save us from the prison camps they are building.
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AP is already calling Gov's race for Meg Whitman.
AP might be missing the mark.

Brown got 1.4 million votes from his party, and he did just about no campaigning. None. Nada. Zilch. His warchest right now is big and once he starts a serious run and gets out fund raising, he might match Meg.

Meg got 1.1 million votes, and it cost her a bundle. And she resembles Arnie too much. We all remember Arnie, right?!?

I almost worry more about Kamela than Guv election. As a Governor, he really only carries so much weight, although policy is usually steered by the party in power and with the graces of the Governor. The AG can do a lot of damage. We'vbe already seen how that looks.
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The CA Republican party is defective in that it is run by Orange County "conservatives".
With RINOs like Pete Wilson and George Deukmejian still, apparently, pulling a bunch of strings it's very hard to not chuckle a bit. The CAGOP is, in many ways, a victim of their own ineptitude as much as they are the constant demonization heaped on them by a hostile and partisan press.

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These folks cannot win a statewide election - often due to issues surrounding anti-abortion stance (losing issue in CA) and perceived religious bias (Prop 8) - correctly or not. They've shifted so far right that there's a bounceback to the statism of Meg. And the party management seems happy with their affirmative-action 'safe seats'.
The CAGOP seems content to merely share power in the Legislature, and at that only so much power and the majority will let them have. They get to trade that off with holding the governor's office most of the time. There are far more laissez-faire Republicans, like me, who support abortion rights and don't give two spits about gays wanting to marry than there are hard core social conservatives in this state. That's how the far west is... and always has been. Goldwater conservatism sprang up here in California just as much, if not more, than it did in Arizona. Goldwater was the first real voice on the national stage. Reagan eventually became the movement's real leader.

Abel Maldonado's rank sell out on the budget last year, and his reward of being appointed Lt. Governor, is proof positive of just how naked Sacramento has become when it comes to grabbing for power. It's about carving out safe districts so that like minded individuals can hold seats over decades, then work their way through the executive offices and create what has become the permanent ruling class in this state.... abetted by the ever burgeoning power base of public employees. The Democrats do it, and so do the Republicans.

Case in point? Look no farther than Bill Lockyer. Or maybe John Garamendi.

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Because of the above, the CA R party can no longer run someone up its ranks to have a chance at winning a statewide election - so outsiders like Arnie, Meg or Poizner who "buy the label" drop in and occupy the void.
Politics has always been a money game. Especially so here. Once Carly Fiorina threw her checkbook in the ring what few molecules of oxygen were in Chuck DeVore's campaign were immediately sucked out. Whitman's rapacious $71M primary campaign is an evil portent, I fear, of where our state is headed.

Meg Whitman talks a good game across the board, but at the end of the day it's going to be about getting deals done with the Legislature and her legacy will be little more than coming off like Schwarzenegger in drag.

JB offers, on the civil rights question, at least something of a positive trade off. Aside from that, I suspect, he'll be business as usual to a great degree.
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Meg...Meg...She's our man.....If she can't do it...... GREAT!

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Although it is probably in the bag for Brown, the numbers of republican and democrat voters in total was similar. It's possible that through another hundred million reasons Whitman could buy the job. It is really important now, for people who are voting for our guns, that everyone gets out and warns their friends and families that Meg Whitman is more of a threat than Brown. If there is a quantifiable rush of registered republicans voting for Brown, someone may just get the hint at party headquarters that we wont take RINO BS anymore.
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AP might be missing the mark.

Brown got 1.4 million votes from his party, and he did just about no campaigning. None. Nada. Zilch. His warchest right now is big and once he starts a serious run and gets out fund raising, he might match Meg.

Meg got 1.1 million votes, and it cost her a bundle. And she resembles Arnie too much. We all remember Arnie, right?!?
umm, the AP wasn't predicting that Meg was gonna win the general election in Nov, just that they predicted that she had won the Rep primary election, the one that the polls had just closed an hour before hand.
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