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Old 05-30-2010, 11:15 PM
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What is the purpose of fake cans?
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Fake cans look cool! Kinda like fake boobs.....No purpose but they make me happy!

Oh and on some short barreled rifles when installed they can get the barrel length to the legal "Over All Limit"....
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Probably most of the time "tacticool"... maybe a small percent of the time to make the length legal (if permanently attached).

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Strictly cosmetic...I'm going to use an MFI fake can on my KISS M4 build.
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Cosmetic and adds weight to the nose of the rifle
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Sometimes they're pinned and used to obey the 30" minimum length laws especially on bullpups and folders.
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They are for women with low self esteem.Oh wait, we are talking firearms. It's for us stuck in the Republic of Commiefornia with free state envy. No silencers allowed here.
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I hate them with a passion, anything fake on a working weapon just shouldn't belong on it. Thankgod you can now get the FN FS2000 with an over all length of 30 inches and not have to have that awful fake can on the front. Thats just the way i feel about fake anything it should'nt be there. Exceptions to the rule are fake boobs, no problem with them.
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I couldn't agree more, It is like the fake side pipes that were on cars in the 80's
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Just part of the gheyity of tacticool; possibly a remnant of confusion between video games and real life.

Getting out to a 26" barrel / 30" OAL can be handled with a brake. Even a 10.5" barrel is workable with an XM177 clone brake.

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alternative for featureless build i say?
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on a spikes ar 22 they are the rule
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No silencers allowed here.
Correction, no working silencers allowed. Fake cans are fine.

I say look at it this way...be glad you don't have Washington's laws on silencers. There you can own them but you can't use them. Fo realz.
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why we have fake silencers! why do some people have fake peq-2 hitching a ride on your rail, when you dont even own night vision equipment. some of it is to make a statement, "Stick it to the man" others do it because its tactical-tacticool. until we can have real ones.. i say we keep spiting them.

at angeles yesterday some RO thought my spikes was a real suppressor. when i was asked if the can was real i stated jokingly "sir, if its cool and serves a valid function its not gonna be legal here." he just kind of chuckled "cool stuff. yep, not in CA!"


well.. not yet!

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why we have fake silencers! why do some people have fake peq-2 hitching a ride on your rail, when you dont even own night vision equipment. some of it is to make a statement, "Stick it to the man" others do it because its tactical-tacticool. until we can have real ones.. i say we keep spiting them.

at angeles yesterday some RO thought my spikes was a real suppressor. when i was asked if the can was real i stated jokingly "sir, if its cool and serves a valid function its not gonna be legal here." he just kind of chuckled "cool stuff. yep, not in CA!"


well.. not yet!
Now that, sir, is definitely sig worthy!!
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Sometimes they're pinned and used to obey the 30" minimum length laws especially on bullpups and folders.
There is no requirement to pin/weld a muzzle device that is used to meet the Cali 30" OAL length requirement. You would, however, need to permanently attach the device in order to meet the Federal 16" rifle barrel requirement.

As to fake cans, they're just fun. I dated a lot of strippers.....
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i don't mind either kind of fake cans!
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Strictly cosmetic...I'm going to use an MFI fake can on my KISS M4 build.
KISS M4; Isn't that an oxymoron?
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no, but jumbo shrimp, long shorts, and extra small are.
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Fake cans look cool! Kinda like fake boobs.....No purpose but they make me happy!
where can I get some fake boobs for my rifle? I think they would make a nice soft cheekrest on an AR
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If you don't know what it is or does, it doesn't belong on your rifle.
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There is no requirement to pin/weld a muzzle device that is used to meet the Cali 30" OAL length requirement. You would, however, need to permanently attach the device in order to meet the Federal 16" rifle barrel requirement.

As to fake cans, they're just fun. I dated a lot of strippers.....
Wrong. You need to permanently attach a device to either end of the weapon to increase the length. If it's not permanently attached it doesn't really modify the length of the weapon and as soon as you take it off, bam, you've created an AW/SBR/etc.
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I always call it an "over glorified thread protector". Basically it is either to make your gun look cool or give you one less feature.
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Wrong. You need to permanently attach a device to either end of the weapon to increase the length. If it's not permanently attached it doesn't really modify the length of the weapon and as soon as you take it off, bam, you've created an AW/SBR/etc.
Wrong.

Impacto has it right. If you read the PC, there's nothing about permanently fixing the length. You only need to perm. attach to a barrel <16 inches to not be an SBR under the NFA.
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Really there is no standard of permanence for 30" OAL, but I do prefer my attachments to at least require a tool to remove. A bayonet is technically good enough to get to 30", but there's no way I'd be comfortable with something like that that could be removed with the push of a button or a turn of the wrist.
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there's no way I'd be comfortable with something like that that could be removed with the push of a button or a turn of the wrist.
That is your comfort level, but it is still perfectly legal non-permanenty attached for 30" OAL compliance.
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Wow what a disappointment looked inside and you were talking about suppressors. I don't know wish we could have the real thing.
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Wrong.

Impacto has it right. If you read the PC, there's nothing about permanently fixing the length. You only need to perm. attach to a barrel <16 inches to not be an SBR under the NFA.
Barrel < 16" or collapsed/folded OAL < 26"

The only reason pinning would be needed to meet California statutes is to "replace" the threaded barrel on a pistol.
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So you can use it to shot as well? At first I thought it was only for looks and not to be used. Well what can we do about cali laws. They suck when it comes to firearms.
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So you can use it to shot as well? At first I thought it was only for looks and not to be used. Well what can we do about cali laws. They suck when it comes to firearms.
yes - perfectly legal to shoot with it.
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on a spikes ar 22 they are the rule
Ya on a 22 they are ok since the gun is already really quiet. I have one only because thats how my ST-22 came with, so without it, it looks awkward since the barrel is so tiny.

I dont like them on large caliber guns. It looks retarded because the gun is still ringing my ear drums, yet you appear to have a "silencer" attached. Makes no sence to me.
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Correction, no working silencers allowed. Fake cans are fine.

I say look at it this way...be glad you don't have Washington's laws on silencers. There you can own them but you can't use them. Fo realz.
Not trying to pick a fight here, but could you please clarify? Suppressors fall under the NFA, which is federal law...so you're saying that if you went through the federal process and got the tax stamp to own one, as a Washington resident you are precluded from using it? That is bizarre to me. Wouldn't they just pass a law banning them outright?
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They are a carryover from airsofters entering the world of real firearms.
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I for one think they can look really cool in certain applications. Before I knew anything about suppressors (which I still know very little about), I thought it would be nice to add a Surefire MB556 (or similar) muzzle break and then be able to attach a fake can with a quick disconnect style. The problem was that it seems each manufacturer of suppressor comes out with their own style of QD connection, so no compatibility. If I wanted to get a Spikes Tactical fake can, I would have to thread it on, which wasn't what i ideally wanted. So what I will prob do is just go with the MB that I want and if I am ever out of CA permanently or if CA laws change (i think that will never happen, but instead MORE laws will limit my rights) I can then add the supressor to go with my MB.

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Not trying to pick a fight here, but could you please clarify? Suppressors fall under the NFA, which is federal law...so you're saying that if you went through the federal process and got the tax stamp to own one, as a Washington resident you are precluded from using it? That is bizarre to me. Wouldn't they just pass a law banning them outright?
He's correct.

I've got a bunch of friends up in Washington, and they all own suppressors, but Washington law forbids them from discharging a firearm while one is attached in the state.

Most of them shoot in their basement or in Oregon.
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