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Old 05-12-2010, 8:39 AM
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Default AMT Hardballer value

My father has sent a list of his guns to his 3 sons, me included. We are to pick the guns we want when he is gone. One on the list is an unfired, new in the box, AMT Hardballer .45 ACP. Not the longslide, just std length barrel. He said that it has some fancy engraving on the slide.

Can anyone tell me how common these Hardballers are and how they compare in value to something like a new SA govt model? I am NOT interested in selling, just curious about value.
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It depends on the engraving and if it was factory

I have one I paid 800 for, but it was done up to look like the gun from the game hitman

I've seen them for less but it really depends on the gun
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It will be a solid addition, the hardballer was very popular, and in demand in its time.

I don't know the collector price of a mint unfired, in the box, but for the right buyer it should fetch a pretty penny.
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Where was it made? El monte arcadia irwindale? Pics? Sn range?
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Those had galling problems, if it's unfired, keep it that way.
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some did ^^ mine has not, the right lube helps that
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I bought mine used for $500. I'm the third owner, works great except that I had to loctite down the screws for the adjustable rear sight since the recoil would undue the screw and I would find myself shooting far left.
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Lol, I had issues with my rear site too...... It would work loose and my shots would start working their way up the target
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Lol, I had issues with my rear site too...... It would work loose and my shots would start working their way up the target

So you got the Hitman Hardballer eh? I recall seeing that in the WTS forum a couple of years ago. Post some pics!
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Where was it made? El monte arcadia irwindale? Pics? Sn range?
Irwindale I believe. I never knew that dad had this gun until now. Serial number is A000xx.

This will be a safe queen and not a shooter. This was on a garage sale and a friend of his got the other one, they were consecutive numbered.
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400 to 600 bucks tops. The trigger pull on it is probably close to 9 lbs. Have the trigger pull reduced, shoot it and have fun with it. They wont go up in value and are not collectors.
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AMT's are most definitely collectors. I know a few guys that have the whole Automag/Hardballer set and its sweet to see the whole collection.

If its unfired, keep the thing and take care of it!
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wow! nice serial number!!!! mine is a08xxx El monte
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wow! nice serial number!!!! mine is a08xxx El monte
A000xx serial number

So am I interpreting the serial number correctly when I say that this gun was the xxth (as in under 100) Hardballer made by AMT? Does a production number in the double digits increase value?
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=168215405 new in the box sn: a02027
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A patient gave me a Hardballer shortly before his death around 2005. Serial # A00071, very close to the pair you describe.

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Must be worth more than it was new. I talked to a guy last year who was selling a long slide Hardballer. It had been shot a ton, but the owner would not take one penny less than $1,000. Guess he is still trying to find a buyer.
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My father has sent a list of his guns to his 3 sons, me included. We are to pick the guns we want when he is gone. One on the list is an unfired, new in the box, AMT Hardballer .45 ACP. Not the longslide, just std length barrel. He said that it has some fancy engraving on the slide.

Can anyone tell me how common these Hardballers are and how they compare in value to something like a new SA govt model? I am NOT interested in selling, just curious about value.
I'm an old AMT hand from way back.

The AMT's are essentially a stainless Government Model with some Gold Cup refinements, but aren't equal to Colt's or other current better (Kimber, Springer, etc) quality 1911 platform pistols.

They are decent "builder" pieces within the limitations of the given example - some are better than others - but the basic frame/slide assembly is suitable for installation of better quality parts.

I can't give you a good price estimate, as my experience with them has made me suspect of individual pieces, and to me, knowing that they're more a project than a finished product, wouldn't pay more than $500.00 for any example.

A less informed individual may pay more, but ymmv.
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Must be worth more than it was new. I talked to a guy last year who was selling a long slide Hardballer. It had been shot a ton, but the owner would not take one penny less than $1,000. Guess he is still trying to find a buyer.
Very optimistic - the last longslide I purchased around 5 years ago, I paid $400.00
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Must be worth more than it was new. I talked to a guy last year who was selling a long slide Hardballer. It had been shot a ton, but the owner would not take one penny less than $1,000. Guess he is still trying to find a buyer.
I bought my Hardballer from B&B Sales; paid a $1000 for it. It was the first
Stainless .45 and the Hype was running at Full Steam. Sadly, it didn't live up
to expectations. The rear site (allen wrench screws) kept flying off; I could never get it to RUN 100%. The finish was rough, it had casting marks and
an imperfect finish. (not like today's stainless).

I sold it for $500 later. I wouldn't buy another one.
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The Hardballer's big claim to fame was that they were the first all stainless 1911 on the market...folks were willing to over look the fact that they didn't always run. All of AMT's (or whatever name they were using in their lifetime) were all stainless...that is what set the company apart.

You have to remember that this was a time when it wasn't uncommon to immediately take a gun from the store to the gunsmith of your choice to make it reliable for carry
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Boy, how'd this get dug up from 7 months ago?
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