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Old 12-24-2009, 7:46 AM
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Default Pakistani 9mm ammo from Sportsmans Guide - Review

I buy a fair amount of ammo for the range. I try to save some money by buying a deal when I see it. I decided to try some of the 9mm, 124gr, FMJ that Sportsmans Guide was selling. I bought 1000 rnds. Yesterday was first chance I got to try some of it. I took 250 rnds to the range, and shot it out of a full size S&W M&P 9mm. I've had this pistol for about 2 years, and it has been 100% reliable, no matter what I was feeding it (like FMJ, JHP, 115/124/147gr, reloads bought at the range, etc).

The Pakistani ammo is most unreliable ammo I have ever shot (says POF on the brass). I had lots of problems. Some loads were very HOT. Some, the bullet barely made it down range. Some produced a huge fire plume at the end of the barrel, and some just a few sparks. Some felt like magnum loads, others felt like a .22.

I must have had to manually clear the pistol about 30 times (FTE).

The ammo is dirty, and it smells different. Took me an extra half-hour to get the pistol cleaned up after shooting.

I bought the ammo because it was cheap...yes, I know, "Cheap is dear".

I just thought others should what to expect.

I do NOT recommend this ammo for any purpose.
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you do know some of this ammo is made "hot" for SMG's like the Sten/Sterling right?
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Thanks for the comments and link.

I'm not sure this "loaded to +p+" theory adds up. I shot 250 rounds of this stuff, and there were a LOT more weak loads than hot loads.

Any other ideas?
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I"ve never tried Pakistani ammo, but, stay away from Surplus Egyptian 9 mm Ammo as I've had the same problems as you did. After 50 rds., I gave the rest of the ammo to the Rangemaster.
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was it berdan or boxer primed what is the headstamp?
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I didn't know that Sportsmans Guide would ship handgun ammo to CA. Interesting to know.

I've had some experience with both Egyptian ammo as well as POF stuff, all of it sucked!

Glad to hear that nothing blew up on you at least!
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was it berdan or boxer primed what is the headstamp?
POF 2Z 87
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My MACs love the egyptian stuff. Will get a light primer strike once a while and I don't use it in "quality" pistols.
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I would stay away from any ammo made from Middle Eastern countries with the exception of Israel. QC varies to much. Cheap yes. Reliability so-so.
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what are the odds that pakistani ammo would be good?
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When was it made?
The funny smell could be an indicator that the powder is breaking down.
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Purchased from Sportsmans Guide 11-17-09. Pakastani 9mm, 124gr, FMJ.

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I shot 100 rounds of it today out of my 226. I was averaging 2-3 Ignition Failures per 10 round mag dump. But I would just pull the hammer back and it went off every time with the second pull of the trigger. I wonder whether this ammo was made with a certain handgun in mind. The reason I say that is because I was at the range one time and there was a guy there with a Mini-30 that just refused to ignite some of the Wolf ammo. But then he could take that ammo that the mini-30 refused to fire, put it in his AK and it would fire every time.
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It never ceases to amaze me that someone with a $1000 firearm would buy and shoot crap imported ammo. GUYS, wake up and smell the reloading room!!

You can reload 9mm and 223 for less than 1/2 of what you pay for crap ammo!!
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I didn't know that Sportsmans Guide would ship handgun ammo to CA. Interesting to know.
As long as your address doesn't say 'Los Angeles' or any other big city, you are good to go. My friend gets stuff all the time from Sportsman Guide and he is in Sunland/Tujunga
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It never ceases to amaze me that someone with a $1000 firearm would buy and shoot crap imported ammo. GUYS, wake up and smell the reloading room!!

You can reload 9mm and 223 for less than 1/2 of what you pay for crap ammo!!
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That Pakistani stuff is Corrosive to boot.
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On Sig is a $1000:
Lighten up Waldog. My used Sig only cost $650. I was not an Equinox or Blackwater. The 226 is a designed to be work horse side arm, not some safe queen. That is why the finish on them fall of just by staring at it too long. I shot the crap ammo in my Sig b/c I DEMAND that such a reputable pistol be able to handle crap ammo. IF the Sig can't handle it, then I do not want it. If it is true that this Crap Ammo is too hot to be shot in pistols, then this is testimony of Sig's Excellence. Needless to say I was pleased. I do not have time to reload right now. In the mean time, I want to find a person who is willing to shoot this POF 9mm crap ammo out of the most POS pistol I find to see what will happen. I read the POF 9mm 74 2Z runs flawlessly in a Glock. Ironically, I consider the Glock the AK of Handguns b/c of its simplicity.
BTW: IF this crap ammo really is for submachine guns, is it too powerful for handguns such that it will actually damage the gun?

On Corrrosive:
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I hope you are wrong on the corrosiveness. It was avertised as non-corrosive. It if turns out to be corrosive & it harms my pistol, I will try to sue Sportsman Guide. I cleaned my Sig the same day. But I did not follow the Corrosive Ammo Cleaning procedure i.e. Windex, ammonia, or some other stuff. I used Break Free CLP. The ammo is flithly. I suppose that if it is corrosive, then it should develop pitting within 24 hours or so since I did not use ammonia to neutralize any possible corrosive elements. I will let you know tomorrow if I find pitting.
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Default Is Pakistan 9mm Ammo Corrosive

I take it back. The S-Guide link calls it corrosive, but I do not remember the catalog I ordered it out of listing it as such. I checked the pistol this morning and there was no pitting. If it is corrosive, perhaps Break Free CLP is a sufficient lub to clean corrosive deposits.

I ran a Corrosive Ammo Test this morning. Here it is:
Step 1: grind a metal plate to get a bare and shiny surface.
Step 2: I placed 2 cartridges with bullet & powder removed on the bare metal faced down & ignited each primer. 2 Pakistan samples & the other was a non-corrosive Remington.
Step 3: Let the Test Metal sit outside for 24 hours & see if there is pitting on the areas of ignition.

If the the Pakistan ammo is corrosive, I expect to see pitting on that ignited area.

I will keep post the results.




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Is this what we have come to, shooting crap Middle Eastern ammo? Sorry state of affairs!
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Is this what we have come to, shooting crap Middle Eastern ammo? Sorry state of affairs!
Nothing personal, but can't believe there so many people out there without a working knowledge of a world map.

http://www.travelnotes.org/MiddleEas...ddle_east2.gif

Pakistan is not part of the Middle East. But yes, that ammo is crap.
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Default Pakistan ammo is Corrosive Confirmed

I performed the test on Saturday, March 19, 2010. I stuck the Test Metal in the freezer for about 1-2 hours and then in the frig for another 1-2 hours in order to create high humidity. Then I pulled out of the freezer and let it sit outside. I checked the Test Metal periodically and did not see rust spots on it until this Tuesday Morning. (March 23, 2010). Thanks for the heads up AIR? But I cleaned my pistol out the same day anyway.

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I take it back. The S-Guide link calls it corrosive, but I do not remember the catalog I ordered it out of listing it as such. I checked the pistol this morning and there was no pitting. If it is corrosive, perhaps Break Free CLP is a sufficient lub to clean corrosive deposits.

I ran a Corrosive Ammo Test this morning. Here it is:
Step 1: grind a metal plate to get a bare and shiny surface.
Step 2: I placed 2 cartridges with bullet & powder removed on the bare metal faced down & ignited each primer. 2 Pakistan samples & the other was a non-corrosive Remington.
Step 3: Let the Test Metal sit outside for 24 hours & see if there is pitting on the areas of ignition.

If the the Pakistan ammo is corrosive, I expect to see pitting on that ignited area.

I will keep post the results.
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Update:

Sportsman Guide gave me a full refund including shipping.
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