[blackrifle242]

I have been hearing allot about incorp. and what it might bring. So my question is if there were no gun free zones and LOC were legal, how many people would carry and how often. Sorry the poll went south before I could save it.

SCREW THE POLL!! I MESSED UP!!

[Digital_Boy]

I hate simplistic all or nothing polls.

[Letitrip]

I voted everyday, but in reality, I would not do it every single day.

There are times that are good for things while other times that are bad for that exact thing. LOC is one of those things.

[technique]

LOC is legal for me....

I voted no.
To me any OC isn't an option.
I don't want people knowing I am
armed, period.

Think about it. If you put your self on the other side. Be the BG!
You walk in to a store to rob it...You shoot the first person with a gun you see...be it a person shopping in the store or an armed security guard.

I would rather CC and not be captain obvious.

[GM4spd]

Openly carrying an unloaded firearm is like using a condom with a hole in
it. Why????? Neither one offers any real protection! Pete

[Amacias805]

not great choices .... because i definitely wouldn't carry everyday, but i would carry from time to time

[Theseus]

Are you kidding? Everywhere! When I carried I did so everywhere. . . banks, hospitals, doctors offices, even a Chuck E Cheeses!

[blackrifle242]

I screwed up sorry!!!!!! My poll sucks!!!!!! By the way GM4spd, the question was about loaded open carry (LOC) and Not unloaded open carry (UOC) And yes your analogy is a good one.

[Blackwater OPS]

Originally Posted by GM4spd

Openly carrying an unloaded firearm is like using a condom with a hole in
it. Why????? Neither one offers any real protection! Pete

Great rhetoric, except the poll is about LOADED open carry, hence the L.

[Knauga]

I think it should be allowed, I just wouldn't do it. I would rather leave something to the imagination

[Cokebottle]

Originally Posted by GM4spd

Openly carrying an unloaded firearm is like using a condom with a hole in
it. Why????? Neither one offers any real protection! Pete

I agree with that. While I understand the desire of the UOC community to make a point about our 2A rights, I won't do it.

However, the poll is regarding loaded OC.

I voted yes, but in reality, I'm a bit closer to Tech's position... while I probably would still LOC in many situations, I would prefer to simply CC.

[The Director]

I would never open carry. I just don't want the attention. What I do want to be able to do want to do is carry concealed whenever I feel the need to and keep a pistol in the glove box for emergencies.

I suppose that's pretty much what we all want....

[Meplat]

It is, and I do.

[blackrifle242]

I am one that would also rather CC but if LOC was legal then I would have one in the car (that is if they allowed LOC in a car). I am always afraid of driving with my 22 month old daughter in the car and someone trying to carjack. Kind of like Brian's story on 640. Granted the guy would have got a 4" benchmade in his throat the minute he demanded my car using force. My daughter is my life and NOTHING will stop me from protecting her.

[tombinghamthegreat]

I would

[five.five-six]

condition one baby

[Amacias805]

Originally Posted by Theseus

Are you kidding? Everywhere! When I carried I did so everywhere. . . banks, hospitals, doctors offices, even a Chuck E Cheeses!

where you ever told to leave banks,

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Amacias805

where you ever told to leave banks,

I have only been asked to leave one business and that was Chuck E Cheese's and that was after being there for more than an hour and we were leaving anyway. On the contrary many of the businesses I interacted with were not only comfortable with it, but encouraged my business. . . Even the laundry mat that is the center of my legal battle.

[glockwise2000]

I voted yes. But not every single day I guess.

[pullnshoot25]

I would hit it and never quit it.

[CABilly]

Yes, but not always. Depends on where I was going, what I was doing, etc.

[JDoe]

I voted everyday because it was better than never but would prefer to CC most of the time.

[nick]

It would depend on the situation. In the woods, yes, I'd LOC. If I had the option to CC, then that's what I'd do in the city. If I didn't have the option to CC, I'd LOC.

[Mayhem]

There are times I would like to LOC times I would Like to CCW there are also times I would feel more comfortable UOC (keep in mine I'm thinking unchambered) and Times I would feel it best to not carry. It all depends on where I'm going, and what I'm doing or planing to do.

[Liberty1]

Here I am, Captain Obvious!!! (you can see that I believe greatly in the power of visual deterrences) read on for a more involved explanation: http://www.usacarry.com/forums/open-...-argument.html

[blackrifle242]

Liberty1 that was an outstanding piece of literature. Thank you for sharing that. I have taken your points and now have a better perspective on the subject. I have heard the "you will be a target" argument many times and I see your point on that issue. Thanks again

[CalNRA]

I would.

Well, there are those occasions...like your inlaw's house. That is best dealt with CCW.

[a1c]

I would while at home, hiking or camping in wilderness areas or forests. I wouldn't in town or most other public places.

[SteveH]

Yes. Yes i would.

[Glock22Fan]

Originally Posted by CalNRA

I would.

Well, there are those occasions...like your inlaw's house. That is best dealt with CCW.

I guess you've met my inlaws

"A 223? Who needs a gun that can fire 223 rounds a minute?"

"Why does Sarah Palin (or anyone else) need a machine gun to hunt moose?"

[FeuerFrei]

Affirm your rights everyday!
LOC everyday = excercise 2nd amend.
Saying what you think = 1rst amend.

Use it or loose it!

[Eckolaker]

Originally Posted by technique

LOC is legal for me....

I voted no.
To me any OC isn't an option.
I don't want people knowing I am
armed, period.

Think about it. If you put your self on the other side. Be the BG!
You walk in to a store to rob it...You shoot the first person with a gun you see...be it a person shopping in the store or an armed security guard.

I would rather CC and not be captain obvious.

Okay, I am the BG. I walk in to the store and notice 4 out of 6 patrons are all carrying and now I likely suspect the clerk behind the counter has a loaded Mossberg 500.

Now who do I shoot first? Or do I have a sudden change in heart?

To each their own, but I will still treat all concealed weapon carriers with scrutiny until they prove otherwise. As I do not know if you are concealing your weapon due to malicious intent or if you are doing so for your own safety.

I also maintain the position women should be able to conceal a small pistol in their purses without a permit.

[oldrifle]

I can't vote because my answer is "sometimes". I would LOC in certain situations but in most situations I would not.

[Mulay El Raisuli]

Originally Posted by pullnshoot25

I would hit it and never quit it.

CLASSIC! Good for when talking about guns too.


To Liberty!: That's an outstanding essay on the value & utility of LOC. Plus 1,000 on that.

But, I would carry every day for another reason. This country has gotten too far away from having what Teddy Roosevelt called the "Barbarian Virtue." We've gotten too far away from the "I can do it myself" way of thinking. I myself am cursed with a brother who fully & truly believes that self defense is immoral. He fully & truly believes that stopping bad guys is the job of the cops AND NO ONE ELSE. That to even have the means of doing so is wrong.

He's not alone in this way of thinking. Regarding the most recent attack on the Maersk Alabama, an idiot at the UN (a redundancy, I know) said that carrying guns on ships should be discouraged by the member states because that only "encourages" violence. There are many people in this country (in office & not) who believe this same way. I can see how that could (and did!) "encourage" violence against pirates, but to promote the idea that self defense does anything but discourage violence from pirates is just flat nuts. And, just as having the means of self defense discourages pirates, it discourages your average street thug as well. This is an idea that needs wider distribution.

The value of LOC is not just to keep me safe from harm (though that IS a laudable goal, of course) but to lessen the threat to society at large. If the idea that 'protecting oneself is a good idea' catches on, becomes widespread, then thugs all over will start to think about other ways to get their bling/dope/whatever.

This is partly why I'm so disappointed to see no real effort on the part of the "Right People" to push for unrestricted LOC as the Minimum Constitutional Standard. It isn't just that CCW will come with restrictions that some can't/won't put up with (and are, IMHO, impermissible). It's that LOC could do far more than just keep individuals safe. It could radically alter thinking in general.

The article that mentioned the idiot from the UN also said that US shippers are ignoring the "advice" & leading the way in arming their ships. Which brings to mind the calls from overseas gun grabbers who urge that we in the US stop fighting the issue & start thinking like the UN & "rest of the world" (IE; allow ourselves to be disarmed). While I think that the rest of the world & the US should think alike, I would greatly prefer that the rest of the world start thing like US, rather than the other way around. The first step on that path is to get all of us on the same page. The way that begins is with unrestricted LOC, so that the message (we are free & free people can do for themselves) gets out there with every gun openly carried. That's how we'll prevent the UN's way of 'thinking' from gaining further hold in this country. My brother is lost, but the children (THINK OF THE CHILDREN!) who haven't been hopelessly brainwashed can still be educated.

The Raisuli

[Untamed1972]

Are we talking LOC is that is the only option? IE no shall issue CCW?

If CCW were not an option, yes I would....everyday whenever possible. There are times when I would not be able to though, like when I am at work. Which sucks because I am out and about ALOT and alone when I am working, sometimes in not so great areas. But there is nothing I can do about that. Would take an act of Congress to change that policy.

But in all my off duty times I totally would. Now if CCW is shall issue I would prolly do that more, and only occasionally OC on those hot summer days and such.

I mean the reality is.....you never gonna know each morning when you get up if the today is the day you're gonna need to defend your life. So I think you either make the choice to always be prepared or not. Cuz you know that murphy is gonna bite you in the arse that one day when you're in a hurry and you don't strap up. It needs to be just part of your routine, like grabbing your wallet and keys.

[paul0660]

Since you nixed school zones, I said yes. I also pulled some teeth out and stuck them under my pillow because I am a little broke this month.

[383green]

I voted "every day", but I'd do it a lot less frequently than that (but certainly not "never"). I'd prefer CCW if I had the choice, but in any case I don't think that a lawful open carrier should be at risk of prosecution if their weapon accidentally becomes concealed, nor do I believe that a lawful concealed carrier should be at risk of prosecution if their weapon accidentally becomes exposed.

[Untamed1972]

Originally Posted by Eckolaker

I also maintain the position women should be able to conceal a small pistol in their purses without a permit.

What makes women entitled to exercise a freedom w/o a permit then men would not be able to?

Sounds rather sexist and discriminatory to me.

[Roadrunner]

There is a time and a place for LOC. Personally, I carry my 1911 when I go hiking in the hills. I'm not concerned about human encounters but there are predators prowling about and I prefer to not be their next meal.

[383green]

Originally Posted by Liberty1

Here I am, Captain Obvious!!! (you can see that I believe greatly in the power of visual deterrences) read on for a more involved explanation: http://www.usacarry.com/forums/open-...-argument.html

Thanks for sharing that! The author's reasoning makes a lot of sense to me.