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Old 11-03-2009, 1:46 PM
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Default 44 magnum and black bear?

I have been tracking a bear around the property that I plan on taking for my tag but I was deer hunting at the time. Well I plan on going up and taking the bear, The country it is in is pretty thick and I am not to fond of taking my scoped rifles to take care of it. I have a couple rifles to choose from, a M1 garand I was thinking would do a nice job with some soft point's I load up, a Browning 92 lever action 44 magnum I have never shot it's brand new, and a AR15 those are pretty much my open sight rifles. Well Im wondering how well the 44 Magnum would work as it's what Im leaning towards right now this bear has to be a good 350 + the 44 mag holds 11 shots and is open sights and about 18-20 inches or so and handles easy.
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Old 11-03-2009, 1:52 PM
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All you need is about three good hounds to bay 'em up. I have Catahoula's

Then get close...............get real close.

And don't shoot the dogs!!
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Old 11-03-2009, 1:53 PM
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The 1892 should be fine as long as the bullet is placed correctly and you feel comfortable with your shooting ability.
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Old 11-03-2009, 1:56 PM
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Also, don't forget, bring a slower friend.
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Old 11-03-2009, 2:22 PM
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Not too slow to the point where he/she will volenteer to be in the car and watch you go do it. Has to be almost of equal of your abilities.

Just kidding, 44Mag will do the job. I've seen hunters use 44 before and it does the job just like any other would, just get your shot placement right and your good.
BTW, Black Bears hide isnt too tuff which is a common misconception that most people make, just like a bear will attack you if you see one which its most likly to run before you think about seeing one.
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Old 11-03-2009, 2:39 PM
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They use 44 for up to grizzly size bears up north. I shot mine earlier this year with a 45-70 and it dropped like a rock.
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Old 11-03-2009, 2:58 PM
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You hit them really good they drop pretty fast. If your off just a little they will get pumped up and go forever. They are tough animals !!!!!!!
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Are you interested in selling 10 rds of the 30-06 loaded for use in a Garand?

I wwould like to take mine deer hunting this year and only have surplus.
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Old 11-03-2009, 5:44 PM
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Sorry bud but I can't sell reloaded ammo to much of a liability and I believe it's against the law. You can go get some 150 SP bullets that should work in a garand many companies make loads that will work. I have taken black bear before last year it took 3 shots 2 to the head one from shoulder blade at around 80 yards the first head shot didn't even penetrate the skull. I don't use hounds I have hunted with buddies that use em thats kind of a last resort thing for me if I don't get my bear and season is almost up I might go with my buddies that use hounds. I have been fairly successful with out the hounds so far. I know that the 44 will work it's just a question of how good because it's a pretty brushy area. My uncle took his this year with a caliber I would deem unfit and we tracked the bear for hours. I feel pretty confident with 11 rounds of 44 magnum, I guess I was just expecting a DRT most shots in that area are within 40 yards AT MOST.
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Sorry bud but I can't sell reloaded ammo to much of a liability and I believe it's against the law. You can go get some 150 SP bullets that should work in a garand many companies make loads that will work. I have taken black bear before last year it took 3 shots 2 to the head one from shoulder blade at around 80 yards the first head shot didn't even penetrate the skull. I don't use hounds I have hunted with buddies that use em thats kind of a last resort thing for me if I don't get my bear and season is almost up I might go with my buddies that use hounds. I have been fairly successful with out the hounds so far. I know that the 44 will work it's just a question of how good because it's a pretty brushy area. My uncle took his this year with a caliber I would deem unfit and we tracked the bear for hours. I feel pretty confident with 11 rounds of 44 magnum, I guess I was just expecting a DRT most shots in that area are within 40 yards AT MOST.
I shot one in the head at about 10' with a 300wby mag and the bullet did not exit.
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Old 11-03-2009, 8:34 PM
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Yeah I was simply amazed at how strong the skulls of bears are in some spots. The first shot was to the head the bear dropped right there, I thought that was that and continued to walk up thats when the bear got up and started going ballistic on a log in front of me I ran back to about 40 yards and shot it in the shoulder blade it kept going then I shot it once again in the head and it dropped, Needles to say I waited a couple minutes and approached in a very cautious manner. Me and my father examined the skull later and found that the 3rd shot went through and through but that was around the ear area, The first head shot did not even penetrate through one side of the skull just blew the side of his face to crap and made for a nasty but not very lethal wound. Later on that same season we saw a BIG cinnamon my dad had his chest in his crosshairs and we both decided to pass because we did not know if we could drop it right there and if we didn't if we could stop it quick enough.
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I also have some family members native to a tribe in alaska and they say they will carry nothing but a shotgun with slugs or a enfield I guess the enfield .303 is a pretty popular rifle out there.

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I also have some family native family members to a tribe in alaska and they say they will carry nothing but a shotgun with slugs or a enfield I guess the enfield .303 is a pretty popular rifle out there.
yeah but the bears in Alaska are much different than these little meek ones down here. I saw one up there the size of a car!
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HEHE...quote of the year bro!
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Haha yeah I think the .44 Mag lever gun will do a good job, About how far until it looses its effectiveness our of a rifle?
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:10 AM
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Haha yeah I think the .44 Mag lever gun will do a good job, About how far until it looses its effectiveness our of a rifle?
My understanding is that .44 Mag will do the job out to 100 yards or so out of a long barrel. It drops a lot beyond that, but it still retains a decent amount of energy.

Here's Hornady's table outlining ballistics of their Leverevolution projectiles: http://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=760
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A fat, slower friend.
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:13 PM
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The leverevolution rounds seem like they will do a pretty good job, Right Now I has a bunch of SP rounds from when I got the rifle a friend gave me not sure what grain and some all lead cast flat nose bullets Ill see if I can find some leverevlotion anywhere around here as I have not seen them in any gun stores around here yet.
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Yeah if youve ever had the bad dream where you keep shooting someone and it has no effect on them. Some bears can be the same.lol
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Old 11-05-2009, 8:10 AM
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Yeah tell me about it I almost took a dump in my pants it was scary haha but it was the ultimate adrenaline rush!
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I have a buddy that shoots bears with a 44mag Ruger. So you're 92 should do fine. Good shot placement is a given when hunting bear. Good luck and have fun!
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The .44 will work at close distance once you get comfortable with the gun. If you are more comfortable with the Garand I would take that and load it up with soft points. 30-06 is the better round for bear, it will get the job done up close and from a few hundred yards away.
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The only downside I can see to the garand compared to the lever gun is its heft and length the 44 is MUCH easier to handle in a pinch and like I said I cant see taking a shot past 100 yards in this heavily wooded area I would be extremely surprise to see a shot past 75 yards...
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Old 11-06-2009, 5:50 AM
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do not shoot hollow points load up some hard cast lead swc or a jacketed swc i push a 240 lead swc w/ 10gn of unique it punches holes in treed bears out of my 7.5" superblack but if you use a jacketed bullet definitely step up to some h4227 and lay the HAMMER
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You said you have never shot the .44. If you can get adequate practice time with it before the season ends then take it. Otherwise take something you're accustomed to. I think it's unwise to hunt potentially dangerous game with an unfamiliar weapon.
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Old 11-07-2009, 8:52 AM
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I have not shot this 44 Mag yet but I don't imagine it's much different from the other b92 44 mags and .357's I have shot. I have shot the exact same model just not the one I own yet, It has been sitting in the safe due to lack of funds to shoot. I have shot numerous lever guns and am quite familiar with their handling one of my grandpas is a lever gun lover haha.
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I have taken black bear before last year it took 3 shots 2 to the head one from shoulder blade at around 80 yards the first head shot didn't even penetrate the skull.
My bro-in-law took one with a standard .270 last year at 200 yrds with one shot. It goes without saying that shot placement is king.
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Old 11-07-2009, 9:42 PM
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Shot placement is always key I figured with a shot to the head "it was my first bear" it would be one shot one dropped but now I know where to shoot em .
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Shot placement is always key I figured with a shot to the head "it was my first bear" it would be one shot one dropped but now I know where to shoot em .
NOOOOOOOO... neck shots are king IMHO low or high they all stone 'em....
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