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Old 11-03-2009, 12:30 PM
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Do you have a source for these? I believe it is standard procedure for the LEO to check and load the shotgun at the beginning of the shift prior to putting it in the vehicle and then they download the weapon at the end of the shift.

Anyone try 3'' steel shot in #2 shot or BB's at 15 feet? An attacker will be DOA with a center mass shot. You'll still have to worry about over penetration of sheetrock with BB's and #2 shot.
00 Buckshot has been the standard rd for LEO's for over 100 years, they also use slugs in thier shotguns.

Even tho 00 Buck is recomended by many ,#4 Buck is another good load for defense.
I can only sight a personal example, but I found a purple 16 gauge shell in the magazine tube one time. Most assuredly, that was against department policy.
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:32 PM
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Remington's Solution:

http://www.remington.com/products/am.../home_defense/

Experts agree a shotgun is the best firearm for home defense. For 2009, Remington announces a new ammunition product designed to enhance the effectiveness of your shotgun in a home defense scenario – Remington HD Ultimate Home Defense.


Don't Trust Your Family's Safety to Anything Else

Remington HD Ultimate Home Defense shotgun ammunition features the same pellet material as the popular Wingmaster HD™ tungsten-bronze hunting ammunition and is offered in two loadings. Consumers can choose from a load of BB’s for the highest terminal energy or a duplex mixture of #2 and #4 pellets for excellent pattern density and outstanding stopping power with a reduced chance of over-penetration.


Both loads are 12 gauge, 2 ¾-inch with 1 1/4 ounces of shot at 1250 feet per second. At the most commonly encountered home defense distances, Remington HD Ultimate Home Defense produces very tight patterns for one-shot confidence.

HD Ultimate Home Defense ammunition is the perfect compliment to Remington’s recently expanded line of tactical shotguns. Recent additions to the line include the Model 870 Express® Tactical with XS® Ghost Ring Sights and the Model 870 Express Tactical with Gray Powder Coat Finish. Both shotguns are 12 gauge and feature 3-inch chambered 18 ½-inch barrels which are threaded for the included Tactical Extended Rem™ Choke. Average weight for both models is 7 ½-pounds, overall length is 38 ½-inches and both guns are equipped with a black synthetic stock and fore-end. Download Brochure


Gauge Shell Length Velocity Oz. of Shot Shot Size
HD Ultimate Home Defense Loads

12 2 3/4 1250 1 1/4 BB
12 2 3/4 1250 1 1/4 2x4 Duplex
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:34 PM
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Remington's Solution:

http://www.remington.com/products/am.../home_defense/

Experts agree a shotgun is the best firearm for home defense. For 2009, Remington announces a new ammunition product designed to enhance the effectiveness of your shotgun in a home defense scenario – Remington HD Ultimate Home Defense.


Don't Trust Your Family's Safety to Anything Else

Remington HD Ultimate Home Defense shotgun ammunition features the same pellet material as the popular Wingmaster HD™ tungsten-bronze hunting ammunition and is offered in two loadings. Consumers can choose from a load of BB’s for the highest terminal energy or a duplex mixture of #2 and #4 pellets for excellent pattern density and outstanding stopping power with a reduced chance of over-penetration.


Both loads are 12 gauge, 2 ¾-inch with 1 1/4 ounces of shot at 1250 feet per second. At the most commonly encountered home defense distances, Remington HD Ultimate Home Defense produces very tight patterns for one-shot confidence.

HD Ultimate Home Defense ammunition is the perfect compliment to Remington’s recently expanded line of tactical shotguns. Recent additions to the line include the Model 870 Express® Tactical with XS® Ghost Ring Sights and the Model 870 Express Tactical with Gray Powder Coat Finish. Both shotguns are 12 gauge and feature 3-inch chambered 18 ½-inch barrels which are threaded for the included Tactical Extended Rem™ Choke. Average weight for both models is 7 ½-pounds, overall length is 38 ½-inches and both guns are equipped with a black synthetic stock and fore-end. Download Brochure


Gauge Shell Length Velocity Oz. of Shot Shot Size
HD Ultimate Home Defense Loads

12 2 3/4 1250 1 1/4 BB
12 2 3/4 1250 1 1/4 2x4 Duplex
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:36 PM
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You got me.

I prefer 000 buck 3" magnums.
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I use slugs with max load dram for home defence! Oh and to all which say, "but what about your neighbors", I say f my neighbors! S happens and if you just happen to catch a stray, well you just happen to catch a stray...
I'm glad I'm not your neighbor...
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:57 PM
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I keep (5) 7.5oz - 2 3/4 in my 18" 1300 with an extra full choke. It hits very hard and tight out to about 25.
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I use slugs with max load dram for home defence! Oh and to all which say, "but what about your neighbors", I say f my neighbors! S happens and if you just happen to catch a stray, well you just happen to catch a stray...

I agree with Dirtbiker. This is horribly irresponsible and I'm glad that I am not eccvets' neighbor.

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Why do people prefer 00 for home defense rounds?
Because it will stop an intruder with the first shot. I believe it's better to kill an intruder than to face the legal ramifications of seriously injuring one. Plus, they might get out of jail and come after you.

#00 Buckshot is found almost everywhere where shot shells are sold. I hear #1 Buckshot will produce a more effective wound trauma. But its hard to find.
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Remington HD Ultimate Home Defense shotgun ammunition features the same pellet material as the popular Wingmaster HD™ tungsten-bronze hunting ammunition
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The link to the shotgunworld article is great. Thanks for posting. Excellent information to help choosing a proper defensive load. http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/view...p?f=7&t=109958
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I'm glad I'm not your neighbor...
I use # 4 Buck. I happen to like my neighbors. Some people think bigger is better. I like more pellets downrange. Across the room there is not much spread with 00, you won't lose anything using #4
check the pattern on an old door at 20 feet
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