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Old 05-17-2009, 11:37 AM
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Well that defeats the purpose of makeing it to meet California Standard to be able to Have leagal. If you can disassemble it to clean then it doesnt meet it to be leagal unless you had it before the bann and you are registered as a AW.
Given enough time and tools, anything is reversable. The laws do not state that you can't disassemble it to clean, only that it has to be permanently modified so that can only accept 10 rounds. The definition of permanent was discussed in this this document, page 9.
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These work really good. The ones i found in a PC parts drawer were exactly 4 5/8" - By the way... these are computer case slot holders. If you have a desktop PC you probably have 10 or so of these in the back of your computer.

All I had to do was elongate the notch on the small 90deg bent portion of the slot holder to make it fit around the spring attachment hole on the follower. Once that elongated "fork" is placed around the spring hole, insert the spring and presto! you have attached the blocking device... (will add photo)...



As a bonus, the shape of downward facing end is angled in such a way that it prevents it from interfering with the spring.
Anyway, seems to have worked well for me. For permanence you have the usual options...

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Nice use of "found materials." If someone doesn't have that stuff laying around, they can spend about a buck twenty and try my option - check it out here.
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go to calegalmags and just get a 10/20 or 10/30 mag and not have to deal with modifying it yourself.
They are the best modifications in the industry.
Cant even tell they are blocked and they weigh no more than normal.

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Where do you guys get these PMAG rebuild kits? I wanna get some pmags and do this myself but the only places i see sell them as 10/30 and i dont think companies will ship comlete 30 rounders out.
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Where do you guys get these PMAG rebuild kits? I wanna get some pmags and do this myself but the only places i see sell them as 10/30 and i dont think companies will ship comlete 30 rounders out.
I sell 20, 30 and 30 w/window mags

I do not charge to break them down into kits. I know if they go to CA, HI, MA, NY, MD they need to go as kits.



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I sell 20, 30 and 30 w/window mags

I do not charge to break them down into kits. I know if they go to CA, HI, MA, NY, MD they need to go as kits.



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I just ordered a 20 and a 30 from you Pete.

I'll be trying my hand at these projects here pretty soon.
With your instructions it looks to be so easy a caveman can do it, so I'll be just fine.

Do you find more people ordering the 30's?
Cosmetically I find the 20's to just look nicer on the rifles.
Are the 20's harder to find due to high demand or low demand?
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At Golden State Tactical, We use the steel rod, and rivet method. It works great and uses NO GLUE. Both on the 10/20 and 10/30 PMags. Well worth the price and just as permanant as glue. Much cleaner also.

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These work really good. The ones i found in a PC parts drawer were exactly 4 5/8" - By the way... these are computer case slot holders. If you have a desktop PC you probably have 10 or so of these in the back of your computer.

All I had to do was elongate the notch on the small 90deg bent portion of the slot holder to make it fit around the spring attachment hole on the follower. Once that elongated "fork" is placed around the spring hole, insert the spring and presto! you have attached the blocking device... (will add photo)...

As a bonus, the shape of downward facing end is angled in such a way that it prevents it from interfering with the spring.
Anyway, seems to have worked well for me. For permanence you have the usual options...
Then you either rivot or glue these in? I have a TON of these laying around.
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I just used the rivet method to make 5 10/30's, once I determined the drill locations they went together easy as all. I have a bullet button fixed mag so I haven't been able to use these unless I am using my Government issue rifle (LOL) and I've still got 6 mags to turn into the armory when I check out LOL so thats all that matters. I think I have more mags packed away, might need to dig them out.
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I just used the rivet method to make 5 10/30's, once I determined the drill locations they went together easy as all. I have a bullet button fixed mag so I haven't been able to use these unless I am using my Government issue rifle (LOL) and I've still got 6 mags to turn into the armory when I check out LOL so thats all that matters. I think I have more mags packed away, might need to dig them out.
if anyone is interested i can dig up the site where i found black pop rivets, they look awesome on the mags i make
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if anyone is interested i can dig up the site where i found black pop rivets, they look awesome on the mags i make
have you made any 10/30 ak mags using rivets, Im wanting to do this but dont want to F up a good ak mag
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Yes ive made some. There is a hole in the mag body perfect for the rivet, and on the floor plate I drill through and put in a rivet, which also drills through the plate on the bottom of the spring. I use solar tacticals solid 10/30 block, and the hole in the mag body drills through the internal block to lock both together. Nothing moves its all solid , and the black rivets make it all look original to a point. In this pic you can see the rivets, barely. I had recently bought usa floor plates and it was difficult drilling out the rivets, and at the same time removed the block and cut off some as it was only holding 9 rounds, both rivets were difficult to get out, so im sure they will work great and be very hard to take apart, unless drilled out. Its also hard getting the rivet down correctly, I blew through the rest of the ones I had, as my rivet gun would snap them off to early and they would be loose, maybe there is an art to it but I finally got them tight and flush.



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I read through the whole thread and didn't see this addressed...

Is it necessary to put the hole through the "C" in the follower and the rod? Couldn't you just use epoxy to hold the rod in? Or would that not provide enough support to cause it to stop every time?

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without the hole and pin the rod would crack and fall off after time.


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How are you able to use this method with a usgi magazine since theres C to fit the rod in?

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How are you able to use this method with a usgi magazine since theres C to fit the rod in?
Use the magpul anti tilt followers. Make up a delrin block that will get pinned and epoxied to the underside of the follower. Cut spring as required.
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Use the magpul anti tilt followers. Make up a delrin block that will get pinned and epoxied to the underside of the follower. Cut spring as required.
Hey, Does the magpul anti tilt followers have the C? I thought that was just on the PMAGs? What do you use to pin? How come you would have to cut the spring?
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Hey, Does the magpul anti tilt followers have the C? I thought that was just on the PMAGs? What do you use to pin? How come you would have to cut the spring?
No they do not have the C, thats why I suggest a block.

You might not need to cut the spring, that is why I said as required.
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No they do not have the C, thats why I suggest a block.

You might not need to cut the spring, that is why I said as required.
[img] http://www.magpul.com/catalog/images/FOLLOWER_02.JPG [/img]
I'm looking at them doesnt seem very feasible to me. where would i put the block and pin it? thanks

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I'm looking at them doesnt seem very feasible to me. where would i put the block and pin it? thanks
You don't pin a block; just a dowel.
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You don't pin a block; just a dowel.
sorry guess i misinterpreted. it still doesnt seem like theres much to epoxy the block to. Has anyone done this with a USGI mag that they could share pics?

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I read through the whole thread and didn't see this addressed...

Is it necessary to put the hole through the "C" in the follower and the rod? Couldn't you just use epoxy to hold the rod in? Or would that not provide enough support to cause it to stop every time?

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I didn't have any 1/8" pins to use, but I did have some 4 penny finishing nails. I cut those into 1/2" long pieces and then used a hot nail to melt a hole in the "C". (Note: held the nail with pliers and heated it over a candle.. went through the plastic "C" like a hot knife through butter)

Held the plastic rod in place and then drilled through the melted hole, rod and the other side of the "C", popped in the pin and epoxied it all together. Worked for me since I didn't have a drill press to do it all nice and easy.

Next batch I do will probably use a little heavier gauge nail since the 4 penny seemed a little on the small side.


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I'm looking at them doesnt seem very feasible to me. where would i put the block and pin it? thanks
Cut the block into a T shape.
Drill and pin where I drew the red line.
Seems pretty straight forward.
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These work really good. The ones i found in a PC parts drawer were exactly 4 5/8" - By the way... these are computer case slot holders. If you have a desktop PC you probably have 10 or so of these in the back of your computer.

All I had to do was elongate the notch on the small 90deg bent portion of the slot holder to make it fit around the spring attachment hole on the follower. Once that elongated "fork" is placed around the spring hole, insert the spring and presto! you have attached the blocking device... (will add photo)...



As a bonus, the shape of downward facing end is angled in such a way that it prevents it from interfering with the spring.
Anyway, seems to have worked well for me. For permanence you have the usual options...
Has anyone else tried this method? How effective was it? Thanks in advance for your responses!

Edit: To elongate the notch, was that easy to Dremel out?

Edit 2: Tried this for an hour today and all I've got to show for it is a massive headache. AM9000 can you please post more pics of the slot cover/bracket, how much you dremeled out and at which points and if at all possible steps you took to get it under the spring? Here's a shot of my bracket piece and for the life of me I can't get the spring to go over it, or slide it under the spring (I tried both ways)


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Cut the block into a T shape.
Drill and pin where I drew the red line.
Seems pretty straight forward.
One more question on pinning is this for strength as the epoxy sees strong enough to hold the plastic in place or is it more to indicate permanence? thanks again
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Did this build and it worked flawlessly... except it's definitely 4-5/8" with the new p-mags I have. The 11th round will just barely depress the 10th but won't go in. As for the epoxy, you don't need near that much. Just roll the end in a small puddle place it and put the pin in. This beats buying the factory 10/30's for $30.
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I have to admit I haven't read all 191 posts in this thread but after doing a search I still can't find any information about how to permanently seal the floor plates on these pmags? What is the preffered method you guys are using, epoxy, JB Weld, rivets etc.....
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Is permanently sealing it required by CA law? Or is it something like the Raddlock where it only has to be a low-cap mag to be CA-legal in CA, but can still be returned to normal-capacity if taken out of CA?
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Props to the OP...this mod works flawlessly. I got new MagLevel PMag's and it is definately 4 5/8. Picked up some brass hollow rods from Ace Hardware and they work perfect!
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"The idea is good but how bout after you drill the hole roll pin it so it can be undone if you ever leave the state no gluey mess
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Thinking about pickup up some PMAG rebuilds to do this with. The 10/30s I bought work well, but I can't insert them on a closed bolt. I figure doing it this way should give me enough play to insert it on a closed bolt when full. Thanks for the info OP
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Did this build and it worked flawlessly... except it's definitely 4-5/8" with the new p-mags I have. The 11th round will just barely depress the 10th but won't go in. As for the epoxy, you don't need near that much. Just roll the end in a small puddle place it and put the pin in. This beats buying the factory 10/30's for $30.
A toothpick can be used to apply the epoxy HOWEVER, I have found that dropping the mag on the floorplate or subjecting it to physical shock WILL break the bond. I believe this is due to Magpul using a Teflon additive in the PMAG polymer. I have since switched away from epoxy and now insert a stainless steel roll pin in the baseplate.
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My preferred method is a roll pin in the baseplate. It's inconspicuous but robust.
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Thinking about pickup up some PMAG rebuilds to do this with. The 10/30s I bought work well, but I can't insert them on a closed bolt. I figure doing it this way should give me enough play to insert it on a closed bolt when full. Thanks for the info OP
Be careful with this. The polymer that PMAGs are made of WILL flex about 1-2mm and it only takes 2.5mm to slip the next round in. The ability to load on a closed bolt can result in your 10rd mag being able to accept an 11th (will not feed but the law is how many can it accept, not how many can it feed).
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I know this is an old thread, im sort of skimmed through it for the answer to my question.

Why do i have to seal the whole mag closed? If i epoxy a rod under the follower, the mag at that point is a 10 round permanent magazine. Now the argument is that i can dismantle the magazine and add in a new follower without the rod. At this point, the magazine has been dismantled and is now a rebuild kit which is legal to own. Putting in a new follower and assembling a 30 round magazine from that point would be a crime. But prior to it being dismantled, it was legal. Does anyone get what I'm trying to say?
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Old 08-27-2010, 9:04 AM
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I know this is an old thread, im sort of skimmed through it for the answer to my question.

Why do i have to seal the whole mag closed? If i epoxy a rod under the follower, the mag at that point is a 10 round permanent magazine. Now the argument is that i can dismantle the magazine and add in a new follower without the rod. At this point, the magazine has been dismantled and is now a rebuild kit which is legal to own. Putting in a new follower and assembling a 30 round magazine from that point would be a crime. But prior to it being dismantled, it was legal. Does anyone get what I'm trying to say?
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I agree with you on this. I don't see the point epoxying the end plate.

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I know this is an old thread, im sort of skimmed through it for the answer to my question.

Why do i have to seal the whole mag closed? If i epoxy a rod under the follower, the mag at that point is a 10 round permanent magazine. Now the argument is that i can dismantle the magazine and add in a new follower without the rod. At this point, the magazine has been dismantled and is now a rebuild kit which is legal to own. Putting in a new follower and assembling a 30 round magazine from that point would be a crime. But prior to it being dismantled, it was legal. Does anyone get what I'm trying to say?
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