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Old 09-22-2009, 3:07 PM
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HA, hardly. Although your attempt at ridicule is amusing.

Are you one of 16% of Americans who believes the "official conspiracy theory"?

All things considered, if you believe the 9/11 commission report, you are the "Conspiracy Theorist" my friend.

I will also have you know, WeAreChange has done more work to expose the truth and bring real issues to the table than the NRA has done to keep the 2nd Amendment intact.

Now before you develop a clever reply, you should be prepared to debate me on the facts.
Bill, Artherd you're wasting your time and energy on these guys.

If they want to leave the state, so be it.

I'm also a bit frustrated about things not happening as quick as "I" would like but I also realize these things take time to beat down. So I do what I can, email the Capitol, call Arnie, etc.

Sickofsocal, Interstate 5 north thru Or. was still open as of month ago.
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IBTL...


Man this is a jacked up thread.

I'm only 25, I never had a shot at some off the laws passed. I am thankful for those who fought for me (the next generation). The rights they preserved and the legislation they did manage to curb....the least I can do is return the favor and fight for the new n00bs.

I'm just rambling here base on some of the comments, bare with me.

The NRA (I am a member) is ****ing annoying! They call, they email they send stuff to my house...<--talk about a waste of paper. I read the E-mails, thats good enough for me. I also catch my RKBA news here on CGs.

BigBamboo, I feel you.

9/11 was not a conspiracy....lets get that straight. It was a tragedy.


Anywho... I'm leaving Ca next month. I am not leaving the Ca fight. You can take tech outta Ca, but you can't take Ca outta tech.

It would be a sissy lala, cowardly act to give up.


To those who are fighting on behalf of all Ca gun owners (even the ones who refuse to do it for them selves) keep doin what you're doin!!!!!
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Sickofsocal, Interstate 5 north thru Or. was still open as of month ago.
As one American citizen to another, thank you again for your kindly insults.


You do not know me, and you do not know my reasons for moving. Thanks again.
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The NRA (I am a member) is ****ing annoying! They call, they email they send stuff to my house...<--talk about a waste of paper. I read the E-mails, thats good enough for me. I also catch my RKBA news here on CGs.
It is possible to opt out of all that, you know. Can't remember the number, but I know there is one.
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For the record...so you guys don't think I am here just stirring the pot.

I have 4 hours of calls to the capitol this month with regards to AB962 AND SB585. Also if anyone wants to travel through my area of OC, you will see all of the fliers I put up and handed out to businesses in the area. Kinko's is getting sick of seeing me every few days, I never have a small order for them.

Just because I disagree with you guys, does not mean we don't have some common ground and that I am not up for the fight. If fact, I think you will find I am probably more dedicated than your average CalGuns member.
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Would you call me a nutjob to my face?
9/11 troofer?
Hell yes.

And so would all those people I know who were there.
Fire, Coroner, Police and other Emergency Services.
The guys who sifted through all that wreckage and cataloged body parts and fragments of tooth, bone and flesh.

Every damn one of them would call ANYONE foolish enough to spout that kind of sorry nonsense a nutjob and more.

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I grew up in Illinois as an oppressed gun owner that had to buy hi-caps at 4x cost due to the 1994-2004 ban. At least I could buy thumbhole sporter rifles at a decent price that were not locked down to uselessness. I moved to CA thinking I could never own anything good. Calguns taught me I could still own "acceptable" guns.
Now I live in the "free" state of Arizona. Just today I was looking at rocket launchers and machine guns. Arizona does not need my money for the 2A. I will be sending all my money to California and Illinois so I won't have to fight here.
CA has lousy laws but it did not have Calguns or the internet back in 1970,80,90 as strong as it does today. More people can communicate and plan out civilized attacks on illegal gun laws. CA will eventually regain it's 2A rights and hopefully that will snowball into getting the state back to the grandeur it once had in all areas.
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As one American citizen to another, thank you again for your kindly insults.


You do not know me, and you do not know my reasons for moving. Thanks again.
No insult intended, just an observation.

You know there are many people working behind the scenes on many fronts in this gun law fight. Like it or not it will not be over tomorrow, or next week, or even 2 weeks.

Even when we win something we are still going to need to defend it against guys like De Leon that don't give up.

You're right I don't know you, but your posts seem to indicate your reasons for leaving is the Ca. gun laws and the lack of spine of Ca. gun owners have to fight against them and our willingness to accept "compromise" solutions.

So if you don't feel it's worth the fight here Ca. then that's your deal. Most of use will stay and fight here on the current front line.

The Interstate 5 ref was just an fyi if you're going that way.
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Im not a big fan of the internet ganging up in this thread, seems like some of you folks think you are in the elite CG club and can talk down on anyone.

Back to the OP, the SF handgun law was a ridiculous measure that was defeated.

Also, we will see how our mobilization and efforts paid off in the AB962 issue. If arnold vetoes it, maybe we have gained some traction and will win future battles. If he decides to pass it, well then, we are ALL gonna have to step up and commit more effort to fighting anti-gunnies..
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When the common man; you and me and the neighbor is back to the wall; when the common man has repeatedly agreed to obey new gun laws, one after the other and each new law is more asinine than the previous. Now compound gun laws with ammo laws... It was confusing before people, it's bedlam now folks. It's the same thing in a different name.
Our backs are on the wall now people; they keep pushing and we keep backing up because we want to obey the law, we want to be good, honest, law abiding Americans. However, when our backs HIT the wall and we can back up no longer... what then
Your wife says; honey... their just guns, it's only ammo. Think of me, think of our children, our careers, home, family, 401K... and little Jane starts College next year... they're just guns honey, just ammo... let it go.

What will you do? What can you do?

Do I call my friend in Redwood Valley and say code-word "Red Dawn!!!" - Load up my truck w/ ammo and supplies, take one rifle and two handguns, leave the rest behind (?). Will there be others like me up in the Arapaho National Forest yelling "WOLVERINES!!!"

Or will I be alone (?)
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Im not a big fan of the internet ganging up in this thread, seems like some of you folks think you are in the elite CG club and can talk down on anyone.

Back to the OP, the SF handgun law was a ridiculous measure that was defeated.

Also, we will see how our mobilization and efforts paid off in the AB962 issue. If arnold vetoes it, maybe we have gained some traction and will win future battles. If he decides to pass it, well then, we are ALL gonna have to step up and commit more effort to fighting anti-gunnies..

Well, let me see, where did the "talk down" begin?

Oh yes, it was in the very first post.
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Problem is, I don't vote only on 2A issues. Perhaps we need a liberal friendly candidate who's also pro-2A. That'll get my vote.
find me a candidate who is for smaller gvt, less invasive regulation, and lower taxes and who's also pro-2A, and you've got my vote... liberal- or conservative- friendly.
... I'm not a liberal, not a straight conservative either. having a hard time finding *any*one who's essentially matching my goals across the board. leaves me having to vote based on what I think they'll do on balance, bad on this subject, good on that... net minimum damage?

which of my rights do I value most today?

^ this is a stupid way to have to consider my vote. really stupid. very frustrating overall. having to choose among which rights to protect makes me a little crazed.

given that, the fact that folks in office are not worried about being ousted for ignoring what constituents want, and the fact that some substantial part of the constituency actually *wants* what's being served up, I don't know how we fix this. fighting the laws one by one, maybe. I'm not finding myself hopeful at the moment.

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given that, the fact that folks in office are not worried about being ousted for ignoring what constituents want, and the fact that some substantial part of the constituency actually *wants* what's being served up, I don't know how we fix this. fighting the laws one by one, maybe. I'm not finding myself hopeful at the moment.

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theres almost no way to fix it, aside of ousting all of congress and making all anti-gunners move to england. We can vote and call all we want, but the fact remains that for every CG there is some liberal sheeple who actually believes in the garbage these politicians spew.

seriously, we all know what needs to be done, but it would land us in jail for treason, murder, etc. look what the taliban does over in hajamalad land, they INTIMIDATE politicians into getting what they want.

here in the US its the other way around, the citizens get bullied by the politicians.

my dad always said it best, "why couldnt the hijackers flown those planes into Difi and Pelosi's houses??"
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Well, let me see, where did the "talk down" begin?

Oh yes, it was in the very first post.
How was it a talk down?

If you feel it was, I assure you, it was unintentional.


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When the common man; you and me and the neighbor is back to the wall; when the common man has repeatedly agreed to obey new gun laws, one after the other and each new law is more asinine than the previous. Now compound gun laws with ammo laws... It was confusing before people, it's bedlam now folks. It's the same thing in a different name.
Our backs are on the wall now people; they keep pushing and we keep backing up because we want to obey the law, we want to be good, honest, law abiding Americans. However, when our backs HIT the wall and we can back up no longer... what then
Your wife says; honey... their just guns, it's only ammo. Think of me, think of our children, our careers, home, family, 401K... and little Jane starts College next year... they're just guns honey, just ammo... let it go.

What will you do? What can you do?

Do I call my friend in Redwood Valley and say code-word "Red Dawn!!!" - Load up my truck w/ ammo and supplies, take one rifle and two handguns, leave the rest behind (?). Will there be others like me up in the Arapaho National Forest yelling "WOLVERINES!!!"

Or will I be alone (?)

Who's "backing up"?

You're aware of Nordyke, no? Heller? Sykes? Pena?
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9/11 troofer?
Hell yes.

And so would all those people I know who were there.
Fire, Coroner, Police and other Emergency Services.
The guys who sifted through all that wreckage and cataloged body parts and fragments of tooth, bone and flesh.

Every damn one of them would call ANYONE foolish enough to spout that kind of sorry nonsense a nutjob and more.

As would I.
Look bro, I'm not going to get in to a pissing match with how many people I know that were down there. My uncle died in those damn towers, so don't you dare lecture me on my beliefs. I have lost several family friends who were first responders from cancer, lung disease, and other really nasty *** crap. I buried a family member because of what happened that day. I have spent the last 8 years trying to find out what happened that day. I have submitted numerous FOIA requests, and countless flights back and forth to New York meeting with other family members, first responders, FDNY, NYPD.

So go preach your media fed BS to someone else.
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So go preach your media fed BS to someone else.
And take your tin foil nuttery elsewhere, we deal in reality here.
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Who's "backing up"?

You're aware of Nordyke, no? Heller? Sykes? Pena?
Surely ZirconJohn is making the point that for all the hype and rhetoric, when the SHTF very very few people will actually take part in an armed rebellion to support the 2nd.
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Anywho... I'm leaving Ca next month. I am not leaving the Ca fight. You can take tech outta Ca, but you can't take Ca outta tech.

It would be a sissy lala, cowardly act to give up.
Word son! Here's someone who gets it!
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CA is and has been the front lines of firearms law fights for a very long time. Giving up here will lead to the whole US being screwed up. Conversely, winning here will make the rest of the US more free.
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I (with help) essentially gutted Roberti-Roos/SB23 in 2005. Sorry it took so long, I was nine years old when it passed...

We then changed the penalty for an AW possession from a Felony to an Infraction, also removing DOJ's ability to list.

We are about (suits filed) to gain Shall-Issue CCW and eliminate the handgun ban list.

Behind the scenes, we stop nasty things on a daily basis!

I'd say we're doing pretty fnicking good! - and we're just getting started. And when I say 'we' I mean CGF, CGN, NRA, Chuck/Jason/Alan/Don/Don/etc.
Some of the complainers and whiners in here need to put up or shut the hell up, you are becoming an obstruction. Ever here of "divide and conquer"? that is what you whiners are allowing and giving to the anti's instead of getting on the same bus. After reading the above from Mr. Cannon I immediatley clicked on "donate" and sent in my first $50.00 that was going to be some more Hodgdon H322 powder. Do you whiners expect the lawers to work for free just for you when you dont want to help?

Personaly I would like to see the persistent whiners go to another forum. Venting out of frustration is one thing, but repeatedly arguing your frustrations with the very people who are the arrow on the tip of 2A spear is stupid.

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I like to see them here.

If they all get together there's no telling how much harm they can do.
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Are you willing to spent the rest of your life in jail???
How about lose your life???
Our founding fathers were.

You are only a Patriot if you win, If you lose you are a traitor.

This is really the key... How many of us will really put our lives on the line for our rights???

Many say they will , but in reality as long as there is $ in the bank and food on the table most conform to any laws whether they agree or not because it is easy. People do not want to upset thier quality of life.
I don't think it will take too much more pushing by gov't and you will begin to see violent incidents. These politicains and "progressive" think tanks know exactly what they are doing. If they can push just a few over the edge to create some really crazy acts then they can further their game. That is how they did it in Britain and Australia, they didn't let a good crisis go to waste. (same progressives-Soros and gang) The smartest thing we can do is get active and turn about Alinsky tactics on them, this is what the TEA party movement is doing and it is effective. However, notice there is an asymetrical full court press to tear down our Country and 2A right now on many fronts. Personally I don't think Heller decision is as much of a protection from this assault as the lawyers like to think. The reason being, is while lawyers are experts in the courts they are not experts in the streets, and mobs mobilized in the streets is the forte' of our current opponents. I think in the coming battles, while the lawyers are arguing the technicalities of the law, the mobs will be drumming on local politicians to be protected from guns. This is our biggest threat. We need to learn how to "community organize" like SEIU and UCFW and Tides Foundation or perish Heller or no Heller. (flame suit on)
our enemy will be organizing

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Some of the complainers and whiners in here need to put up or shut the hell up, you are becoming an obstruction. Ever here of "divide and conquer"? that is what you whiners are allowing and giving to the anti's instead of getting on the same bus. After reading the above from Mr. Cannon I immediatley clicked on "donate" and sent in my first $50.00 that was going to be some more Hodgdon H322 powder. Do you whiners expect the lawers to work for free just for you when you dont want to help?

Personaly I would like to see the persistent whiners go to another forum. Venting out of frustration is one thing, but repeatedly arguing your frustrations with the very people who are the arrow on the tip of 2A spear is stupid.
if we rely solely on the courts to win our battle we will lose, we must have an asymetrical offense just like the enemy uses. While our lawyers are valiantly fighting in court the enemy is showing anti gun indoctrination videos to the children in the public schools. Heller stands but ammo regulation is on the way, the folks that control use of our public lands has changed hands let's see how long it is before new gun regs are created for BLM and, they use an asymetrical attack we must do the same.
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I like this image so much, that I just donated more to the Foundation.

OoohRah!!!!!!

Get Some!!!!!!

Oh yeah, and keep up the good work. I left the state for the service and when I got back, I found out that the terrorists had representatives here.

This struggle we face will take a lot more than my donation, or yours. We have to go out and involve every person we can reach and to begin a conversation that ends with them agreeing with the fundamentals of the constitution.

Get out your pocket constitution and share it.

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I like this image so much, that I just donated more to the Foundation.

OoohRah!!!!!!

Get Some!!!!!!

Oh yeah, and keep up the good work. I left the state for the service and when I got back, I found out that the terrorists had representatives here.

This struggle we face will take a lot more than my donation, or yours. We have to go out and involve every person we can reach and to begin a conversation that ends with them agreeing with the fundamentals of the constitution.

Get out your pocket constitution and share it.

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thanks skat and thanks to the lawyers / foundation but we need much more they can't do it alone
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Hogxtz, bravo! THAT is what we should all be doing; what's a portion of all our ammo budget to protect and further our rights?

Hunt, we, as a collective community of gun owners and enthusiasts, are on the attack; through the courts, in Sacramento, in DC and right here through the Calguns outreach program. I'm sure you received at least a few of the recent CGNN call to arms emails; I hope you responded with an interest in activism.
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Did Calguns exist in 1999?
Yea, we got it that you did some work in 1999. Anything since then? that is, up to the point you lost the fire in your belly and decided you had to deride what's going on now.

And, whenever Calguns started, that doesn't mean that the members of Calguns weren't active doing other things before then, or even now for that matter.
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Yea, we got it that you did some work in 1999. Anything since then? that is, up to the point you lost the fire in your belly and decided you had to deride what's going on now.

And, whenever Calguns started, that doesn't mean that the members of Calguns weren't active doing other things before then, or even now for that matter.
I wasn't taking a jab at CG's. You misinterpret again.


What I meant was, if they did, along with the internet revolution we have now, then what happened in 1999 may have never occurred in the first place.

When did CG's come into existence?
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