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Old 09-02-2009, 10:09 AM
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Thanks for the update and the transparency of what's going on behind the scenes - keep up the good work! (and do your homework!)
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Old 09-02-2009, 10:09 AM
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Oh yeah... last thing I am going to say before I start to study my online class

AK PISTOL PARTS KIT..... $500 for a romy g cut down
$700-800+ for a krink kit
Then you add all that other BS plus bending your flat and making it....

point is... don't piss and moan about the price we are friggin getting a complete Draco for less than a parts kit or like someone said.... the same price as a friggin airsoft gun.
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sonofa, are we gonna give this gb a week or so before we can't find them anywhere and refund us? I'm all in, but only for a limited time. I dont wanna have to pay interest for months or weeks even if we can't find the ish.

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Bummer!

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Z Me Fly,

you are doing an awesome job ! props to you

I'll have to buy you a drink if we meet in person, maybe we should have a AK pistol meet up !
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Old 09-02-2009, 10:33 AM
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sonofa, are we gonna give this gb a week or so before we can't find them anywhere and refund us? I'm all in, but only for a limited time. I dont wanna have to pay interest for months or weeks even if we can't find the ish.
My middleman is going to call me by the end of today to let me know what's going on. I do NOT plan on dragging this out. If we can't get them, we can't and everyone's money will be refunded.

BTW seems like the majority want JumboPanda to make things easier.

so far example I will probably give me until tomorrow to find another vendor if not then we will get our money back UNLESS he can find someone else. If the price changes and I hope it won't, I will let everyone know. Remember if the price changes, I have to pay the difference too
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Old 09-02-2009, 10:35 AM
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you are doing an awesome job ! props to you

I'll have to buy you a drink if we meet in person, maybe we should have a AK pistol meet up !
oh you know if this happens, I'm going to be at Irvington Arms with a camera! You will probably see me hugging the box or crate full of Dracos and laying next to them on the floor when they are taken out.

Haha and then.... we will all have an excuse after 10 days to go to Panoche or somewhere that we can have FUN
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Classic Arms dropped their price down to $369 with free shipping. I know that they do not ship to CA - but since our middleman is out of CA, he should be able to order it without any problems.
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Classic Arms dropped their price down to $369 with free shipping. I know that they do not ship to CA - but since our middleman is out of CA, he should be able to order it without any problems.

im on the phone with Classic Arms, they will be receiving their shipment on friday and they have 30 that they can give us for 349 + shipping and that would come out to ~370.

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im on the phone with Classic Arms, they will be receiving their shipment on friday and they have 30 that they can give us for 349 + shipping and that would come out to ~370.

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Old 09-02-2009, 11:12 AM
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I think we should let Z ME FLY continue to negotiate this, since he has all the info.

Z Me fly is on it, I just spoke to him. This thing may be rolling again!
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Old 09-02-2009, 11:13 AM
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No disrespect, but I concur.
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hows the norcal list going? and i hope you got my pm for my info i sent
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Old 09-02-2009, 11:30 AM
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I TALKED WITH ED THANKS BUDDY....

After I got off the phone with Ed I called our Middleman. He is confident that we got something from the source. Think about it, if they are getting more on Friday it's coming from somewhere right? Funny thing is I didn't think about that until our Middleman was telling me while he was laughing that we shouldn't worry. I'm confident that we will get our Dracos now. For those that know the middleman you know they wouldn't screw us over, RIGHT?
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Old 09-02-2009, 11:38 AM
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Shoot, if our middleman can get it direct from his own import source more power to him and hopefully profit too.
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Shoot, if our middleman can get it direct from his own import source more power to him and hopefully profit too.
Yes this is what I hope for him too. Making $20-30 per Draco is not fun.

BTW I just checked my PMs and we are going JumboPanda unless the middleman says otherwise. Also, JumboPanda is easy to uninstall if you decide to change to something else also. This I hope also saves the step of everyone having to paypal me. Sorry to those that wanted SolarTact but this is for the ease of everything.
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how'd i miss this....damnit
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No rush. Gives me more time to come up with the money for the transfer, DROS, mags and ammo.
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Old 09-02-2009, 12:26 PM
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Hi guys noob from North Cal here.
Is it too late? If not, what do i need to do to participate?
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Is it too late? If not, what do i need to do to participate?
pm the original poster to be placed on the wait list. The group buy has been full for a day already
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Old 09-02-2009, 12:36 PM
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Is it too late? If not, what do i need to do to participate?
I'm guessing it's way too late for this one - there is a pretty huge back-up list already, from what I understand. But I would stay tuned to this forum for other group buys down the road... possibly even a Draco Pt. 2!
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Old 09-02-2009, 12:38 PM
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Hell its harder to get into this than a strip club during fleet week! lol thought I would say something random to take my mind off things...

friggin online school sucks! I log in this morning to go over the stuff for one of my classes and now it says not available... Dammit I need to go to the library to make about 300 copies of the pages I need to read... FUN times
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Yikes, I would think they would have that stuff in easily downloadable PDF's or something... think of the trees, man!
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Yikes, I would think they would have that stuff in easily downloadable PDF's or something... think of the trees, man!
I wish! Well I'll probably be gone for the next 2 hours if not more cause I gotta go to the library and read those 300 pages. Whatever I can't read I have to copy. So if you are wondering WTF I am at you will know. I'll give the middle man a call around 3pm to see where we are at. I'll probably text BigEd or Bootcamp to let you guys know what is happening.
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I wish! Well I'll probably be gone for the next 2 hours if not more cause I gotta go to the library and read those 300 pages. Whatever I can't read I have to copy. So if you are wondering WTF I am at you will know. I'll give the middle man a call around 3pm to see where we are at. I'll probably text BigEd or Bootcamp to let you guys know what is happening.
Ill be here, just let me know whats up and I can relay it to the thread.
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Old 09-02-2009, 2:36 PM
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ok guys just got a few texts from Zmefly:

He said that Century arms (the importer) told our Middleman that they are out of stock.

Classic arms has them and is willing to ship to our middleman provided he is provided with section codes and explainations this we are doing this legally.
Somebody needs to send zmefly a PM explaining how this AK pistol transfer is legal so he can send the explaination to Classic arms.

Also zmefly wanted to let everyone know that the cost should be going up by ~$60.

Classic arms will be receiving ~70 Ak pistols on friday and they seem to be the only FFL in the county that has them. Lets jump on this and pay the extra $60.

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I am in still if we can still get them, sucks a tad that we have to pay more now. Hopefully Classic Arams can send the mag as a kit too then.

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That being said, here is how to get an AR / AK pistol in California. . .

1) You must start from either a DEDICATED pistol receiver or an 80 percent receiver. Whatever you do, NEVER ever build a pistol from a rifle receiver.

2) You can get a 100 percent pistol receiver by PPTing it from a LEO or someone who got one from a LEO. You can't just order one from out of state (or in state), since bare pistol receivers don't meet California's "safe handgun" laws.

3) When you build the pistol, you must be aware of ATF "constructive possession" issues. For example, having a short AR barrel and a bunch of unbuilt AR rifle receivers laying around is not a good idea. The general rule is to NEVER have the components for making an SBR in your custody or control. Unless, of course, you have a tax stamp from the ATF that allows you to possess a SBR! Even then, it would only apply to that specific SBR. So see above.

4) With respect to AK pistols (I am not an expert on building AR pistols), you MUST use a pistol trunnion for the rear trunnion. Using a rifle trunnion opens you up to constructive possession of an SBR, even if you do not affix a rifle buttstock to the pistol. I guess you could somehow weld up a rifle trunnion to not accept a stock, but it's easier to just buy one.

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I sent Zmefly an email with the Handgun AW chart and the "oaklander" explaination thanks guys.

Any other legal crap you can cough up??

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Do we just call the middleman and approve of the additional $60?
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hang on for now, I think the first step is getting Classic Arms on board.
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I sent Zmefly an email with the Handgun AW chart and the "oaklander" explaination thanks guys.

Any other legal crap you can cough up??
A++ for the group effort. Unfortunately I only have an I phone @ this time. Maybe an FFL can better explain it to Classic Arms to get this going, maybe Dmitry from IAC can help out to straighten up their questions/doubts on the CA legal process.
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why should classic arms be worried? they are going to AZ first no? hopefully we can at least get the mag, or is it the middle man that does not want to send it?
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why should classic arms be worried? they are going to AZ first no? hopefully we can at least get the mag, or is it the middle man that does not want to send it?
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They are going to AZ first so really classic arms doesnt have to worry about much. However the owner wants to cover his *** incase something goes bad.
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They are going to AZ first so really classic arms doesnt have to worry about much. However the owner wants to cover his *** incase something goes bad.
I think we all do. The middleman should have enough knowledge and documentation on this. Do NOT, do NOT have a CA FFL contact classic arms. You guys can eff the crap out of the group by doing some "fly by the seat of your pants" phone calls.
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