[GreyMinotaur]

Originally Posted by KylaGWolf

OK contacted all the members on the safety committee and here is the break down:

State Senator Mark Leno (D-3) – Chair No word either way of stance. They did ask my name and if I was for or against and asked my zip code.

State Senator John J. Benoit (R-37) - Vice-Chair Is against it and asked for my name and information. Also commented they will vote against anything similar.

State Senator Gilbert Cedillo (D-22) No word either way of stance. But did
take my name and zip code.

State Senator Loni Hancock (D-9) No word either way of stance, but did get my name and zip code.

State Senator Robert Huff (R-29) Is against it and took my information.

State Senator Darrell Steinberg (D-6) No word either way Didn't even take my information.

State Senator Roderick Wright (D-25) No word either way but they did take my information


If this response is the norm I get the feeling this one is going to go to the full senate and if it does I already know my rep is going to vote for it

Thanks for the update. Helps me to focus and fax the ones that have "no position" yet (meaning, they vote the way they think will keep them in office).

[mikehaas]

http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?year=2009&summary=ab962

Assemblymember DeLeon's office has pulled AB 962 from the Senate Public Safety hearing on June 30 and reset it for July 7. Please contact the members of the committee and urge a NO vote on AB 962.

[Swiss]

They did this when the bill was before the Assembly PS committee. What's the real reason for this? To avoid public discussion and pass it in a closed session?

[Para45]

Originally Posted by Swiss

They did this when the bill was before the Assembly PS committee. What's the real reason for this? To avoid public discussion and pass it in a closed session?

I was wondering the same thing - there's definitely something going on behind the scenes with this bill and it doesn't smell good....

[goober]

whatver the reason, we have another week to make our voices heard... let's use it!!!

[Librarian]

Originally Posted by Swiss

They did this when the bill was before the Assembly PS committee. What's the real reason for this? To avoid public discussion and pass it in a closed session?

I think the Leg is actually working on something useful - budget, I hope - and this postponement is nothing of real importance.

But let's use the extra week!

[KylaGWolf]

Guys keep the heat up on this one. There is a reason DeLeon pulled it hes running scared he doesn't have the votes. So lets keep up the calls faxes and mail to them to show our displeasure with this proposed legislation.

[PatriotnMore]

^ I agree, keep up the heat, don't let this go gently into the night.

[motorhead]

public safety is heavy on the libtard. it's almost guarunteed to pass. our battle will come on the senate floor. in a way it's best that this comes up post budget. we won't have to worry about it being used as a bargaining chip over budget cuts.

[cortayack]

Sent out some faxes............Keep it going!!!!

[bwiese]

Originally Posted by Librarian

I think the Leg is actually working on something useful - budget, I hope - and this postponement is nothing of real importance.

But let's use the extra week!

Originally Posted by KylaGWolf

There is a reason DeLeon pulled it hes running scared he doesn't have the votes. So lets keep up the calls faxes and mail to them to show our displeasure with this proposed legislation

Bingo!

I'll also note that Sen. Rod Wright on PS committee is friendly to us.

[goober]

also don't forget about SB 585!

[obeygiant]

Originally Posted by goober_0

also don't forget about SB 585!

I posted updated contact information on the SB585 thread mentioned by goober_0 in the post above.

[obeygiant]

Originally Posted by Librarian

I think the Leg is actually working on something useful - budget, I hope - and this postponement is nothing of real importance.

But let's use the extra week!

Or they don't want to draw attention to the fact that they are looking to implement a system that will require money that they don't have before they finalize the budget.

[SgtWaggoner]

These stupid laws, especially the 50 rounds one, I do not believe would stand up constitutionally, although our great State has implemented other laws that are unconstitutional like the magazine capacity crap...So respond to the senators, I e-mailed them all on the NRA-ILA list and am also going to fax the letter to the law firm. I have also forwarded it to many of my gun-friendly and non-gun hating friends to fill out and fax in.

This is getting crazy, It's like Germany pre WWII, we need to act now.

[Daffsbro]

Anyone know what time they start talking about this in PST? I want to watch it on tv and see the fools talking about it.

[cousinkix1953]

Originally Posted by Daffsbro

Anyone know what time they start talking about this in PST? I want to watch it on tv and see the fools talking about it.

They turn on the cameras at 9 AM and they turn them off at 3 PM sharp. It doesn't matter if a hearing is joined in progress or doesn't end before time expires. The show is over! If you were expecting the local version of C-SPAN, this Sacramento operation is more amateurish than the coverage of a city council meeting on your community access channels. CAL-SPAN is crap!

[johnny_22]

Those supporting AB962, the usual suspects and " 4 private citizens". Most of the groups are the "Brady Campaign of ***** County".

Opposition: Our groups and "several thousand private citizens (based on petitions on file with Committee)"

[KylaGWolf]

Originally Posted by bwiese

Bingo!

I'll also note that Sen. Rod Wright on PS committee is friendly to us.

cool on Wright being friendly to us. He was one of the ones I got a no comment from though so maybe the staffer is just not in the know on it.

[Librarian]

Just found something new.

Did you know that the CA Department of Finance has fiscal analyses of bills? Complete news to me!

But here's the link: http://www.dof.ca.gov/legislative_analyses/search.php

It lets you type in a bill, then lets you download the PDF of their analysis.

Here's what they say for 962:

DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE BILL ANALYSIS
AMENDMENT DATE: Original BILL NUMBER: AB 962
POSITION: Oppose AUTHOR: K. De Leon


BILL SUMMARY: Ammunition

This bill would establish a database maintained by the Department of Justice (DOJ) to serve as a registry of handgun ammunition vendors. Additionally, the bill would require that, beginning July 1, 2010, no person shall sell or transfer specified rounds of handgun ammunition in any month unless he or she is licensed as a handgun ammunition vendor.

FISCAL SUMMARY

Although DOJ has not provided a fiscal estimate for this bill, Finance believes creating a new database and registration program would require significant staff and contract resources. The bill would allow for a fee to be charged to cover DOJ’s costs, but caps that fee at $50. It is not clear that this program can be implemented at that fee level. If it cannot, DOJ would have to seek additional funding, creating pressure on
other special funds and possibly the General Fund.

COMMENTS

Finance is opposed to this bill given the likely cost pressures it would impose and the significant resources it likely would require. Although the bill would provide for a fee to be charged for this purpose, absent specific information from DOJ, it is not clear the fee would be sufficient to fully fund this effort. Additionally, it may
not be appropriate to impose additional workload during this time of limited state resources.

Furthermore, given that the licensing restriction would be in effect on July 1, 2010, and this bill, if chaptered, would be effective on January 1, 2010, DOJ would have only months to prepare and implement this database. Also, no appropriation authority is provided in the bill, so it is unlikely DOJ would have additional appropriations to draw from when developing this new program in time for the July 1, 2010 date.

Currently, DOJ maintains a database related to firearms transactions, which is supported by fees.

The bill would create a new handgun ammunition tracking database and registration program for handgun ammunition vendors. The bill would allow for a fee of up to $50 to reimburse DOJ for its costs of administering the license program, maintaining the registry of handgun ammunition vendors and other regulatory functions, including enforcement.

Hit'em on the money angle!

[1BigPea]

^

Wow good find!

Might be a good idea sending that information in our faxes and emails?

[goober]

yeah good work Librarian!
we knew that AB 962 was going to be expensive and not self-supporting, but if the CA Dept of Finance analysis corroborates that position then that is VERY good for us

and yes, everyone be sure to include this info in your emails/faxes/letters/calls to senators!

[Para45]

Originally Posted by Librarian

Just found something new.

Did you know that the CA Department of Finance has fiscal analyses of bills? Complete news to me!

But here's the link: http://www.dof.ca.gov/legislative_analyses/search.php

It lets you type in a bill, then lets you download the PDF of their analysis.

Here's what they say for 962:
Hit'em on the money angle!

Nice!! That's good to see, thanks for the info!!!

[Mute]

Man, I really hate these jerks! I can make a full time job out of monitoring and contacting these fools, trying to keep them from running roughshod over our rights. We really need to bring back pubic tar and feathering.

[jkchan83]

Called the Committee office (http://www.senate.ca.gov/ftp/sen/com...e1/PROFILE.HTM) @ (916)651-4118. When AB 962 was first being heard in the assembly, the committee reported a very low response count because people had not contacted the committee office directly. They didn't count ANY of the phone calls, e-mails, or faxes made to the individual members' offices.

Also called all of the senators' offices individually. Wow, the guy at Loni Hancock's office said, "We haven't briefed her on it yet." He started to take my information, but didn't even ask my position. What a jerk.

[woodsman]

That stings.

I often think they don't give a hoot what we say. This comes across clearly on the responses or lack of responses that I get.

[lawaia]

Originally Posted by Mute

Man, I really hate these jerks! I can make a full time job out of monitoring and contacting these fools, trying to keep them from running roughshod over our rights. We really need to bring back pubic tar and feathering.

Ouch!!!!

[Swiss]

I called the Senate PS Committe and was told they do log pro/con on bills but it has to be a letter or a fax.

FAX: (916) 445-4688

Mailing Address:

State Capitol
Room 2031
Sacramento, CA 95814

Originally Posted by jkchan83

Called the Committee office (http://www.senate.ca.gov/ftp/sen/com...e1/PROFILE.HTM) @ (916)651-4118. When AB 962 was first being heard in the assembly, the committee reported a very low response count because people had not contacted the committee office directly. They didn't count ANY of the phone calls, e-mails, or faxes made to the individual members' offices.

Also called all of the senators' offices individually. Wow, the guy at Loni Hancock's office said, "We haven't briefed her on it yet." He started to take my information, but didn't even ask my position. What a jerk.

[Shane916]

Originally Posted by Mute

Man, I really hate these jerks! I can make a full time job out of monitoring and contacting these fools, trying to keep them from running roughshod over our rights. We really need to bring back pubic tar and feathering.

Sounds rather painful.

[1BigPea]

Originally Posted by Swiss

I called the Senate PS Committe and was told they do log pro/con on bills but it has to be a letter or a fax.

FAX: (916) 445-4688

Mailing Address:

State Capitol
Room 2031
Sacramento, CA 95814

Thanks.

Multiple faxes sent...again.

[The Wingnut]

Originally Posted by Shane916

Sounds rather painful.

...and it's a BIG deterrent to those that would sit in an ivory tower pursuing their own lofty ideals instead of being a proxy and representing the common citizen the way they're supposed to.

[hill billy]

It was bumped for a week because the Dbag sponsoring it knew if it was voted on today it would be shot down since the budget must be passed by tonight. In addition, tomorrow is the beginning of the new fiscal year so DeLed-bag can sneak it in under the financial radar.

[KylaGWolf]

Librarian SWEET!!!!!!!!!!! I wonder how many on the Senate Public Safety Committee have actually seen this report. And how many would actually still vote for it knowing the outcome. Maybe it is time we leak this bit of information to the press about this nice little bill of DeLeon's and just how much it could cost the state to implement and to run.

[goober]

new FAX sent to PS Committee FAX # rather than individual members, with added info about Finance Dept findings

[jkchan83]

Originally Posted by Swiss

I called the Senate PS Committe and was told they do log pro/con on bills but it has to be a letter or a fax.

FAX: (916) 445-4688

Mailing Address:

State Capitol
Room 2031
Sacramento, CA 95814

While I believe you, can I express some indignation at the California government bureaucracy? I called specifically to have them log my voice in opposition to a bill. I provided my name and address, as requested by the person on the phone. If they aren't even counting my call, why the hell do they patronize me?

[Swiss]

They could have fed me a line of bull. Let's call again tomorrow to see what their answer is.

[obeygiant]

Good work Swiss and Librarian. What does everyone think about contacting the media with the financials and see if they'll pick up the story?

Media Contact Information

[Librarian]

Originally Posted by obeygiant

Good work Swiss and Librarian. What does everyone think about contacting the media with the financials and see if they'll pick up the story?

I think it would be an interesting test of the basic honesty of the media outlets.

OK, I expect most of them to fail. But perhaps a few will help us out.

[obeygiant]

Originally Posted by Librarian

I think it would be an interesting test of the basic honesty of the media outlets.

OK, I expect most of them to fail. But perhaps a few will help us out.

I agree but we might be able to get someone's attention if we concentrate our efforts.

On a side note, I just emailed the KFI AM640 news director, the John and Ken show and Bill Handel to see if they would consider covering the story.

[jkchan83]

Originally Posted by Swiss

They could have fed me a line of bull. Let's call again tomorrow to see what their answer is.

Will do. In the meantime, sent a fax anyway.