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Old 04-19-2009, 1:26 PM
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Default C&R FFL Application Form ATF 7CR - use the official BATFE PDF form!

Update - BATFE not accepting my hacked up PDF C&R application form. I'll keep the original message here for archival purposes.

Instead, you should use the official BATFE C&R application form, found at this URL:

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/at...16-notice.html

This will work and will get you your C&R FFL!

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Awhile back I asked if anyone had a softcopy C&R FFL application form. No one had one. So, I ordered a couple from the ATF in Texas, and 1 month later, I got the forms.

I then set about to scanning the form, then converting it using my copy of Adobe Acrobat to make the application "form compatible" on your PC. I then made sure that the user could save the form with the data typed in.

This will allow you to simply type in your application info, print this out, and send it in. To my knowledge, this is the latest and most up to date C&R application form.

Here is a link to the form:

Removed for now.

Please post any feedback or improvements that need to be made to this form, I spent most of my evening troubleshooting it, but it seems to be pretty clean now.

UPDATE - Improvements made:

1) Font size changed to variable - allows you to enter more information (e.g. extra addresses) if needed without the font being too large
2) CLEO copy automatically fills itself out as you enter your information on the original BATFE form
3) Fonts intentionally kept large for some of the fields - to allow the BATFE to easily read your info

These improvements were made after the initial form's release, so comments in this thread may refer to the original "beta test" form.

If you like this form, please recommend or suggest that others use it, including non-Calgunners. I'd like to spread this form far and wide.

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Old 04-19-2009, 2:18 PM
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I'd check to see if they will accept a PDF printed app. First issue is that the original is on Green paper. Will they accept it on white paper?

If a PDF version was acceptable, why don't they have it available on the website? I know, .gov runs slow.



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Please don't forget that you have to send 1 copy to the ATF and one to your Chief Law Enforcement Officer locally. I would advise NOT sending your credit card information to your CLEO, if you choose to pay the fees by credit card.
For that, I'd suggest scanning the complete app, including the CLEO copy, instead of just the ATF copy. The CLEO copy has the payment section blocked out so you don't send that info to the CLEO.
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Thanks for this. Another CGer and I haven't gotten our application yet and we ordered them over 2 months ago. I am going to call and order some and ask to see if this is acceptable too.
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For "Position," do I enter "Doggie Style" or what?

Also, I have answered "Yes" to section 11 d) and want to know what is meant by "Full Details." I cannot remember the address of one of the gun stores I worked at 17 years ago. Is that a problem, not to include an address?

I think both forms would be great. Saves the trouble of blocking out and the CC info I filled out in the Federal copy.
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Two things:

1) If someone does call the BATFE and find out if this form is acceptable, please let me know.

2) If #1 is affirmative, then I will get the CLEO form set up in this PDF.

So, folks, hold off from too many people downloading and using the form just yet until we get these things cleared up.

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Just got off the phone with the ATF. Ordered some application for myself just in case and then got transferred around to ask if they would take a photocopy of the C&R application and they said it shouldn't be a problem. Worse can happen is they send you a real copy and make you fill that out. So if someone wants to be the guinea pig, go for it!
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Bowser, thanks. I will go ahead and make some edits to the form to allow you to also submit the CLEO application at the same time, and we'll go from there.

A new version will be upped shortly.

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Ok everyone, new version up - no file name change (on purpose) now featuring:

* Fill in the first forms and have your CLEO form filled out automatically too!
* Data saveable

Need someone to download and try this out - my tests showed that the form worked great, but curious if anyone else can find any flaws that need to be fixed.

Who's going to be the test subject to see if this online copy will pass with the ATF?

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I sent in my application yesterday. Lets see if it works.
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I sent in my application yesterday. Lets see if it works.
Great. I presume you printed it 2x, and didn't include your CC information on the CLEO copy?

With the revised version now available for download, you don't have to print 2x, you enter data once, and 2 forms are ready to be used.

Thanks for trying the form. Let us know how it goes.

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It keeps telling me; "The file is damaged and could not be repaired."



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Awhile back I asked if anyone had a softcopy C&R FFL application form. No one had one. So, I ordered a couple from the ATF in Texas, and 1 month later, I got the forms.

I then set about to scanning the form, then converting it using my copy of Adobe Acrobat to make the application "form compatible" on your PC. I then made sure that the user could save the form with the data typed in.

This will allow you to simply type in your application info, print this out, and send it in. To my knowledge, this is the latest and most up to date C&R application form.

Please don't forget that you have to send 1 copy to the ATF and one to your Chief Law Enforcement Officer locally. I would advise NOT sending your credit card information to your CLEO, if you choose to pay the fees by credit card.

Here is a link to the form:

http://www.calguns.net/CR/CRFFLForm7CR.pdf

Please post any feedback or improvements that need to be made to this form, I spent most of my evening troubleshooting it, but it seems to be pretty clean now.

Enjoy!

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I've just tested the file again on a machine that's never had it downloaded and opened before, and it works for me. Verify that you're getting a full 4MB file. Are you using the latest Acrobat Reader?

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Is the original form printed double-sided?
Back side straight up or upside-down?

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original is double-sided, and the back-side is upside-down.
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original is double-sided, and the back-side is upside-down.
For my own edification - does it matter?

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I dunno, Inox asked.

I would suggest printing it doublesided to be safe. Would suck to get it bounced if it was printed single-sided.

I do know that for the Form 1 and Form 4, many people would print them single-sided, and the NFA branch has sent them back because of that.
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I dunno, Inox asked.

I would suggest printing it doublesided to be safe. Would suck to get it bounced if it was printed single-sided.

I do know that for the Form 1 and Form 4, many people would print them single-sided, and the NFA branch has sent them back because of that.
Good call. Maybe I should include a "roadmap" for printing out the forms to mirror exactly how it arrives from the ATF. If it matters.

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I just noticed a 30 dollar transaction from my account. Looks like they took my money. Lets see how long it takes to get my license now.
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I just noticed a 30 dollar transaction from my account. Looks like they took my money. Lets see how long it takes to get my license now.
Very fast. I presume the fact that they took your money means that they accepted the form. You used the PDF, right?

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I just noticed a 30 dollar transaction from my account. Looks like they took my money. Lets see how long it takes to get my license now.
did you use double-sided or single? I am going to send mine out today if you did single. Also what was the wait time?
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why don't you just print it double-sided so it is as close to the original as possible?
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why don't you just print it double-sided so it is as close to the original as possible?
Because I am lazy, Or it can be because my work computer only prints on one side.... 0.o
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so you just print the first page back into the printer upside down and print the second page on the back of the first. Double-sided printing on the cheap.
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so you just print the first page back into the printer upside down and print the second page on the back of the first. Double-sided printing on the cheap.
Cooperate printer wont allow this. It was a yes or no question. If it was double sided, I will have to travel to get the printing done.
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I printed it single sided. It took less that two weeks for the charge to my account. The day after I sent it out I got the real application in the mail that I requested 2 month ago. Go figure.
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Thanks Turbinator. I don't even remember when I ordered my C&R liscence forms and it showed up a couple days ago. Must have been at the beginning of the year or something, ATF took way to long on that. Its good we can just download it now.
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I printed it single sided. It took less that two weeks for the charge to my account. The day after I sent it out I got the real application in the mail that I requested 2 month ago. Go figure.

thanks for the info now I can get my C&R.
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I printed it single sided. It took less that two weeks for the charge to my account. The day after I sent it out I got the real application in the mail that I requested 2 month ago. Go figure.
That's about how long it took to get mine, I had actually forgot about it by the time it arrived.
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I printed it single sided. It took less that two weeks for the charge to my account. The day after I sent it out I got the real application in the mail that I requested 2 month ago. Go figure.
Awesome. Will anxiously await news of you getting your actual C&R FFL based on using the PDF form. If it works - then we can all celebrate success!!

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Thanks Turbinator. I don't even remember when I ordered my C&R liscence forms and it showed up a couple days ago. Must have been at the beginning of the year or something, ATF took way to long on that. Its good we can just download it now.
You're welcome, I hope more people use it and bring back stories of successful applications.

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Ok... Filling out the form and where I have to list my addresses from the last 5 year I have 3 and it is longer than the box provided. How will it look printed out or should I just hand write them in?

Thank you very much for making this able to be filled out on the computer. Makes it much easier on me and for whoever has to try to read my handwriting
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Ok... Filling out the form and where I have to list my addresses from the last 5 year I have 3 and it is longer than the box provided. How will it look printed out or should I just hand write them in?

Thank you very much for making this able to be filled out on the computer. Makes it much easier on me and for whoever has to try to read my handwriting
I would just use the next box down.

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I would just use the next box down.

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Thanks. I ended up handwriting it. Mailing it out today.
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Ok... Filling out the form and where I have to list my addresses from the last 5 year I have 3 and it is longer than the box provided. How will it look printed out or should I just hand write them in?

Thank you very much for making this able to be filled out on the computer. Makes it much easier on me and for whoever has to try to read my handwriting
I can change it to make the font size variable in case you have to put a lot of addresses in that field. I will consider making this change in a future revision.

You're welcome. I hope this form works and I'm looking forward to people getting their C&R's with it.

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I can change it to make the font size variable in case you have to put a lot of addresses in that field. I will consider making this change in a future revision.

You're welcome. I hope this form works and I'm looking forward to people getting their C&R's with it.

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Thanks!! That would probably be helpful for younger people that have moved around a little bit before settling in at their current home.

Being able to type this out and print it is much better than writing it all out by hand.

Thank you again!!
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Thank you for taking the time to scan this and make a fillable form. I was going to attempt the exact same thing but I lost my copies of the form the last time I moved. I know it can be a hassle getting all of the fields correct so thank you again for the nice job you did on this. I will be sending mine in as well and will let you know when I get a response.
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Mailed printed PDF application on 5/5, and of course not even a week later I get the real application in the mail.
I'll donate the green forms to anyone that wants them after my PDF app is accepted.
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I have called and confirmed 3 different times that they would accept the pdf we have here. Twice was the same girl. Other time was a guy that seemed a little peeved that I was asking.

(Posted here and on the "how long?" post)
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Ok I downloaded the file not problems. Now is see that I need a valid Hunting license. Can this be right?

Also can someone tell me how to change the font size?


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