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Old 11-17-2005, 10:34 PM
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Why do you want to let the DOJ know about all the AR lowers not yet on the Roster?

Give it some time, dudes.

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Old 11-17-2005, 10:39 PM
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Why do you want to let the DOJ know about all the AR lowers not yet on the Roster?

Give it some time, dudes.

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I think the "Genie" is out of the bottle.
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Old 11-17-2005, 10:42 PM
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Why do you want to let the DOJ know about all the AR lowers not yet on the Roster?

Give it some time, dudes.

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I thought that said rooster at first! I need to get more sleep .


I'm sure the DoJ already knows...after all, how could a government agency be so ignorant of current events? (half sarcasm)

What would you suggest for those that were not able to get a "real" "AR-15" before the ban?

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Old 11-17-2005, 11:13 PM
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I'd keep it limited to recivers you intend to purchase. No reason to make it tooooo easy for 'em! And hey another certified letter is just eleven bucks away.

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I thought that said rooster at first! I need to get more sleep .

I'm sure the DoJ already knows...after all, how could a government agency be so ignorant of current events? (half sarcasm)

What would you suggest for those that were not able to get a "real" "AR-15" before the ban?
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Old 11-17-2005, 11:17 PM
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I'd keep it limited to recivers you intend to purchase. No reason to make it tooooo easy for 'em! And hey another certified letter is just eleven bucks away.
That sounds reasonable. I guess the only task remaining is to find a quality affordable lower receiver (after all, I don't even have a job right now) that's not on the list.
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Old 11-17-2005, 11:30 PM
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Why do you want to let the DOJ know about all the AR lowers not yet on the Roster?

Give it some time, dudes.

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+1. Somebody at the DOJ would probably get a promotion for their hard work in identifying AWs in the past year after plagiarizing the list you've sent them.
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Old 11-17-2005, 11:32 PM
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That sounds reasonable. I guess the only task remaining is to find a quality affordable lower receiver (after all, I don't even have a job right now) that's not on the list.
Just grab a Vulcan. Seriously. I can do major battle with the DOJ if I need to, I've even accused ADAs in open court of Prosecutorial Misconduct...

and *I* just barely want to do this!

Again, I really don't want to sound like a jackass, but I feel like I'm being asked how to go stock car racing withought a fire suit & suppression system. Considering the Vulcan is really the same thing, the extra insurance you get with it seems to far outweigh any other considerations.
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Old 11-17-2005, 11:41 PM
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Just grab a Vulcan. Seriously. I can do major battle with the DOJ if I need to, I've even accused ADAs in open court of Prosecutorial Misconduct...

and *I* just barely want to do this!

Again, I really don't want to sound like a jackass, but I feel like I'm being asked how to go stock car racing withought a fire suit & suppression system. Considering the Vulcan is really the same thing, the extra insurance you get with it seems to far outweigh any other considerations.
I understand exactly what you are saying. It's a terrible feeling when you know that something is legal, but you still have to worry about being prosecuted. I just wish that more people would see the absurdity that these laws represent.

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Old 11-17-2005, 11:43 PM
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I understand exactly what you are saying. It's a terrible feeling when you know that something is legal, but you still have to worry about being prosecuted. I just wish that more people would see the absurdity that these laws represent.
Tell me about it. I'm still nervous about my Glock 10 round mags that I can stuff 11 into (and the pistol will feed 50% of the time.) Sigh, unprosecuted felons all of us.
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Old 11-17-2005, 11:43 PM
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Oh no, people can see my mistake!
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Old 11-18-2005, 6:31 AM
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Here is a post that shows pictures of lower receivers, the list looks complete but I would agree that you should probably give the DOJ the names of receivers you plan to purchase.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=12&t=223495

As far as lower recivers go the Vulcan is a ar15, any gun smith or guy good with some tools can rig them back to AW status which is good enough but as other have mentioned Id like to have a stripped receiver in the safe just in case it turned into a AW and I would have one.

Id look into LRB arms as they make fantastic stuff and one side is blank for engraving.



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Old 11-18-2005, 2:00 PM
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Was looking through the list and found this...

http://www.chameleonweaponry.com/dr-..._BARBIE-15.jpg

You think that would be legal here? [sarcasm]
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Since no one has decided to mention it yet I'm going to:

Nice job on the James Brown Tuxedo look with the rifle in the photo
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Old 11-18-2005, 6:24 PM
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Was looking through the list and found this...

http://www.chameleonweaponry.com/dr-..._BARBIE-15.jpg

You think that would be legal here? [sarcasm]
That's one hell of a weapon!
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Old 11-19-2005, 8:49 PM
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So does this mean that the whole buying a Vulcan in free America, bolting in the mag, and importing it is okay now???
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Old 11-19-2005, 8:56 PM
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So does this mean that the whole buying a Vulcan in free America, bolting in the mag, and importing it is okay now???
Not really; still would need an FFL that would chance transfer and a DOJ letter.
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Old 11-21-2005, 4:37 PM
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how long did it take to get a reply? i'm gonna resend my BAR-10 letter to her and one about a lower..
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Old 11-21-2005, 4:43 PM
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Artherd said roughly two years. I've been corresponding with DOJ since April and still do not have a satisfactory answer.
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Old 11-21-2005, 11:48 PM
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I went back and forth with the DOJ essentially 3 times, over a period of 2 years, on this issue, before I was able to obtain a satisfactory answer. If I put all my efforts into it, I expect I could have finished this in around 6 months.

It took a GREAT deal of pressure on Harrott case law before the DOJ would outright admit it applied in writing.

Average DOJ time to reply; ~6 weeks.
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Old 11-22-2005, 12:23 AM
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I went back and forth with the DOJ essentially 3 times, over a period of 2 years, on this issue, before I was able to obtain a satisfactory answer. If I put all my efforts into it, I expect I could have finished this in around 6 months.

It took a GREAT deal of pressure on Harrott case law before the DOJ would outright admit it applied in writing.

Average DOJ time to reply; ~6 weeks.
Maybe they reply alphabetically; generaly it has been at least two months for me.
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Old 11-22-2005, 4:08 AM
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Maybe they reply alphabetically; generaly it has ben at least two months for me.
Maybe they are strategerizing, and follosing this thread, to see how they could stomp on the Second Amendment faithful.
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Old 11-24-2005, 7:34 PM
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artherd,

I'm still in complete and utter amazement at what you have done here. BRILLIANT!!!

I have not been able to get this thing out of my head since the thread started.
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Old 11-24-2005, 10:40 PM
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A while back, a member posted that his CA DOJ contact was aware of calguns and that they did read the forum. It wouldn't surprise me if Merilees--or more likely one of her assistants--is monitoring this board to come up with a nice feather to stick in her career cap.
Merilee, where is the answer to my letter that I sent two monts ago ?
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Ha! What a blast from the past. Thanks for this forum Kes!

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