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Old 09-15-2018, 11:56 AM
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You guys are nuts. There is no way a pro CCW announcement is a good thing in Santa Clara county! He would lose thousands of votes he may otherwise get with such an announcement.
No, you are delusional. As I pointed out in post #721 above you were wrong about your claim that Santa Clara (24% more Dems than Repubs) was the 3rd most liberal county in the state, when in fact it is virtually tied with Napa (23% more Dems than Repubs) as the MOST CONSERVATIVE county of the 9 SFBA counties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_...r_registration
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Now, let's see how Essick won in Sonoma Co, which is even more liberal with 30% more Dems than Repubs. Essick, apparently recently switched from Repub to Dem (like Hirokawa) said "I am not a progressive, I'm a moderate Democrat" (55 min in) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoma...ion_statistics

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I came across a 1 hour Q&A for the Sonoma Co SO candidates by the Santa Rosa Democratic Club video on Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/SRDemClub/v...type=2&theater

I only watched/listened to the first 30 minutes. About ~14 min in, his opponent Ernesto Olivares says that there are currently ~130 Sonoma SO CCWs and that Essick told a Repub group that he'd increase the number of CCWs in the county. About 19 min in, Essick gives a vigorous defense of allowing the law-abiding and trained get CCWs and carry -- he says not only do CCWers not cause any problems, they actually enhance public safety. He even mentioned that a county to their north (Mendo? Shasta?) has issued 3,000 CCWs and has had zero problems and a county to their east (Solano? Sacto?) that's issued 5,000 CCWs and has had zero problems. He's prepping them psychologically for 1,000s of CCWers without any problems. This sounds great even before you remember this is before a roomful of CA Dem voters/activists! He faced the issue and our opponents square on and stood his ground!

Especially after watching that video, I think Sonoma Co folk should be optimistic: I was thinking he'll go yellow, now I think he may even go -- perhaps not right away -- to light green!


Watch it all to see if I missed any CCW discussion in the 2nd 30 min of the presentation, or just watch those 2 segments I mentioned, and let me know what you think.
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Let’s get off our asses and do something about it. Should we reach out to his campaign and let them know that a lot of pro-2A voters will support him if he liberalizes CCW?
Yes, but you should also reach out to her campaign as well.

If you look at Sheriff Smith's campaign's FB page, you'll see her appealing to lots of special interest groups. Where's the pro-2nd A groups? Where's the NRA Members Councils? the GS2AC? Are they not even on speaking terms with her?

When Sheriff Gore of San Diego found himself in a tight race against a gay Dem opponent who was pro-CCW, Gore liberalized his own CCW policy. That's how we want things: where both sides are pro-CCW and you can't lose no matter who wins.

Gore tripled the number of CCWs in a year, ended up winning reelection in June, and has kept issuing more and more CCWs every month! He's hired more staff for his CCW unit and is consulting with OCSO on how they process CCWs to speed up things even more.

Gore's even put a counter up on his CCW Info page that is updated at the end of each month to show the current number of 2-year CCWs:
https://www.sdsheriff.net/licensing/ccw.html

An easy place to start is by contacting Smith's campaign's FB page and telling her you want her to liberalize CCW issuance by October 15th and will vote for and support Hirokawa if she does not. But with no organization and so few posters in this Santa Clara Co CCW Info thread -- you should have at least several hundred contact her, a few thousand would be better -- you probably will just show her how weak you are.... That's your fault for preferring to spending time posting complaints than spending time organizing, planning, and doing.

But do what you can now and if things don't change, with whoever wins in Nov, just consider this to be laying the groundwork for the 2022 sheriff's election.

Here's Smith's campaign's FB page:
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Rather than clog up this thread -- which is supposed to be focused on people applying for Santa Clara Co CCWs -- with SO election matters, here's a link to another thread where CGNers who want to or are already helping Hirokawa win can post and tell about their experiences, what's needed, etc.

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Here's his official webpage: https://www.johnhirokawa.com/ and Facebook page; https://www.facebook.com/hirokawaforsheriff/

At the bottom, is the "Get involved" sign up.

I'm contacting today, will post back what they say about CCW.

**Gilroy visit- Hirakowa is speaking in town on Sept 26/6-8pm, the addy is on his webpage under "Events" tab.
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Anyone show up at this event? If so, how'd it go? Did he bring up CCWs?

Santa Clara Co is the most populous county in NorCal w/~1.8M residents. If SC Co CGNers want to take a (FREE) step (from HOME) to pressure Sheriff Smith to issue more CCWs, see: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...php?p=22162960

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Well, FWIW, I've now attended two of the candidate forums. One during the primaries and another on the 8th that was John vs. Laurie. She seemed pretty scared and desperate at both events. Even at the forum during the primaries, she essentially ignored the other three people running in order to take every shot she could at Hirokawa, sometimes even ignoring the question she was asked. She is TERRIFIED that he will beat her.

I've met and spoken to Hirokawa twice now and he has said that he will bring CCW back into the 21st century by having clear and transparent policies and actually processing permit applications and issuing permits for good cause. He wants to have a complete overhaul of the system and create a CCW board to help review applications.

No, he won't be publicly promising shall issue, he is one of those guys who is from that generation of liberal law enforcement that is a bit wary of non-LEO having guns. From my conversations with him though, he is a BIG believer in the 14th amendment and believes that there should be a more fair/equitable process for it. That process would certainly be more liberal than what Laurie has been doing which is to say nothing unless you're a rich buddy of hers.

Hirokawa may not be a perfect candidate for us but he IS the guy we need to back.

Laurie has proven time and time again that she has nothing but disdain and contempt for our community. She refuses to even sit down at the table with us. Hirokawa has welcomed discussion about our concerns every time I brought it up, and has promised to lift CCW policy out of the dark ages.

We all need to get off our collective asses and vote for him on November 6th.

ETA: The critical thing here is that John IS talking to us and is sympathetic to our cause. I firmly believe that if we can get him in office, we will have a situation similar to Sacramento where the Sheriff started to issue permits and became comfortable with it and realized it wasn't something to fear. At first it was limited issue, but as he realized it was no big deal they effectively became shall issue. Human nature won the day there and it could happen here too. But not under Laurie.
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Well, FWIW, I've now attended two of the candidate forums. One during the primaries and another on the 8th that was John vs. Laurie. She seemed pretty scared and desperate at both events. Even at the forum during the primaries, she essentially ignored the other three people running in order to take every shot she could at Hirokawa, sometimes even ignoring the question she was asked. She is TERRIFIED that he will beat her.

I've met and spoken to Hirokawa twice now and he has said that he will bring CCW back into the 21st century by having clear and transparent policies and actually processing permit applications and issuing permits for good cause. He wants to have a complete overhaul of the system and create a CCW board to help review applications.

No, he won't be publicly promising shall issue, he is one of those guys who is from that generation of liberal law enforcement that is a bit wary of non-LEO having guns. From my conversations with him though, he is a BIG believer in the 14th amendment and believes that there should be a more fair/equitable process for it. That process would certainly be more liberal than what Laurie has been doing which is to say nothing unless you're a rich buddy of hers.

Hirokawa may not be a perfect candidate for us but he IS the guy we need to back.

Laurie has proven time and time again that she has nothing but disdain and contempt for our community. She refuses to even sit down at the table with us. Hirokawa has welcomed discussion about our concerns every time I brought it up, and has promised to lift CCW policy out of the dark ages.

We all need to get off our collective asses and vote for him on November 6th.

ETA: The critical thing here is that John IS talking to us and is sympathetic to our cause. I firmly believe that if we can get him in office, we will have a situation similar to Sacramento where the Sheriff started to issue permits and became comfortable with it and realized it wasn't something to fear. At first it was limited issue, but as he realized it was no big deal they effectively became shall issue. Human nature won the day there and it could happen here too. But not under Laurie.


This is very good news. I donít mind sheriffs practicing caution but they should at least process applications and deny at their discretion. Maybe after a certain amount of interviews they will realize that the applicants are usually stellar citizens. I donít expect waking up one morning and having SCC virtually shall issue.

You should remind him that the 2A community is behind him. He might feel indebted to us and start issuing.
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This is very good news. I donít mind sheriffs practicing caution but they should at least process applications and deny at their discretion. Maybe after a certain amount of interviews they will realize that the applicants are usually stellar citizens. I donít expect waking up one morning and having SCC virtually shall issue.

You should remind him that the 2A community is behind him. He might feel indebted to us and start issuing.
His whole message is that the CCW process should be a completely fair and transparent process, I think trying to make him feel 'indebted' to us kinda flies in the face of that. But I take your meaning. If we can help get him elected he will bring the process out of the dark ages and that is very much what we want.

The key thing is that we have to elect him first though. I've been talking to all of my friends, family, and acquaintances about Hirokawa, and the fact that he represents a chance for a real phase change in how CCW is done in this county. I've been talking about it non-stop on all of my social media. I would urge you and everyone reading this to do the same.

As far as I can tell, this race is going to be VERY close. IF we are going to get him in and Laurie OUT, we are going to need to be as proactive as possible. Talk to your friends, family, neighbors. Post on social media. Lets make this happen.
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Well, FWIW, I've now attended two of the candidate forums. One during the primaries and another on the 8th that was John vs. Laurie. She seemed pretty scared and desperate at both events. Even at the forum during the primaries, she essentially ignored the other three people running in order to take every shot she could at Hirokawa, sometimes even ignoring the question she was asked. She is TERRIFIED that he will beat her.

I've met and spoken to Hirokawa twice now and he has said that he will bring CCW back into the 21st century by having clear and transparent policies and actually processing permit applications and issuing permits for good cause. He wants to have a complete overhaul of the system and create a CCW board to help review applications.

No, he won't be publicly promising shall issue, he is one of those guys who is from that generation of liberal law enforcement that is a bit wary of non-LEO having guns. From my conversations with him though, he is a BIG believer in the 14th amendment and believes that there should be a more fair/equitable process for it. That process would certainly be more liberal than what Laurie has been doing which is to say nothing unless you're a rich buddy of hers.

Hirokawa may not be a perfect candidate for us but he IS the guy we need to back.

Laurie has proven time and time again that she has nothing but disdain and contempt for our community. She refuses to even sit down at the table with us. Hirokawa has welcomed discussion about our concerns every time I brought it up, and has promised to lift CCW policy out of the dark ages.

We all need to get off our collective asses and vote for him on November 6th.

ETA: The critical thing here is that John IS talking to us and is sympathetic to our cause. I firmly believe that if we can get him in office, we will have a situation similar to Sacramento where the Sheriff started to issue permits and became comfortable with it and realized it wasn't something to fear. At first it was limited issue, but as he realized it was no big deal they effectively became shall issue. Human nature won the day there and it could happen here too. But not under Laurie.
(1) IMO from what you wrote, Hirokawa will initially take Santa Clara Co from dark red on the CA CCW GC map to light red or maybe even yellow. After that, who knows.

I would NOT give up on Smith. If she's as scared as you think, she may now be open to persuasion. As the old saying goes, "Politicians see the light when they feel the heat." Right now, she's feeling the heat of possibly being out of a job. Now, when she's vulnerable, suddenly CGNers are AWOL in the San Jose Chapter threads about her....

I'm really beginning to see that most CGNers are whiners who do NOTHING to improve their own situations, so rather than try to encourage or help them, I just do what I think best myself.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...play.php?f=307

Has ANYONE already contacted her via her campaign's FB page?

Santa Clara Co is the MOST populous county in NorCal. Smith is vulnerable. Hirokawa is better re. CCWs. This, or some other thread/s re. this election, should be among the busiest on CGN. Yet they're
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Well, FWIW, I've now attended two of the candidate forums. One during the primaries and another on the 8th that was John vs. Laurie. She seemed pretty scared and desperate at both events. Even at the forum during the primaries, she essentially ignored the other three people running in order to take every shot she could at Hirokawa, sometimes even ignoring the question she was asked. She is TERRIFIED that he will beat her.

I've met and spoken to Hirokawa twice now and he has said that he will bring CCW back into the 21st century by having clear and transparent policies and actually processing permit applications and issuing permits for good cause. He wants to have a complete overhaul of the system and create a CCW board to help review applications.

No, he won't be publicly promising shall issue, he is one of those guys who is from that generation of liberal law enforcement that is a bit wary of non-LEO having guns. From my conversations with him though, he is a BIG believer in the 14th amendment and believes that there should be a more fair/equitable process for it. That process would certainly be more liberal than what Laurie has been doing which is to say nothing unless you're a rich buddy of hers.

Hirokawa may not be a perfect candidate for us but he IS the guy we need to back.

Laurie has proven time and time again that she has nothing but disdain and contempt for our community. She refuses to even sit down at the table with us. Hirokawa has welcomed discussion about our concerns every time I brought it up, and has promised to lift CCW policy out of the dark ages.

We all need to get off our collective asses and vote for him on November 6th.

ETA: The critical thing here is that John IS talking to us and is sympathetic to our cause. I firmly believe that if we can get him in office, we will have a situation similar to Sacramento where the Sheriff started to issue permits and became comfortable with it and realized it wasn't something to fear. At first it was limited issue, but as he realized it was no big deal they effectively became shall issue. Human nature won the day there and it could happen here too. But not under Laurie.
Appreciate the follow up and insight.

I'm afraid I find "a policy" without details rather fence riding. If he wants support, I think most want to know specifics about what these policies will say, require and so forth. If his intention is to become more 2A, then he should say so and how. Resistance to speaking specifics feels elusive, makes him distrustful and me disinclined to support him.
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(1) IMO from what you wrote, Hirokawa will initially take Santa Clara Co from dark red on the CA CCW GC map to light red or maybe even yellow. After that, who knows.

I would NOT give up on Smith. If she's as scared as you think, she may now be open to persuasion. As the old saying goes, "Politicians see the light when they feel the heat." Right now, she's feeling the heat of possibly being out of a job. Now, when she's vulnerable, suddenly CGNers are AWOL in the San Jose Chapter threads about her....

I'm really beginning to see that most CGNers are whiners who do NOTHING to improve their own situations, so rather than try to encourage or help them, I just do what I think best myself.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...play.php?f=307

Has ANYONE already contacted her via her campaign's FB page?

Santa Clara Co is the MOST populous county in NorCal. Smith is vulnerable. Hirokawa is better re. CCWs. This, or some other thread/s re. this election, should be among the busiest on CGN. Yet they're
She's one (maybe two) million years old and at the max 90% income rate if she retired today. She sure wants the job, cause she sure doesn't need it.

I think the county is quiet on 2A because its a strong foothold of liberals up here. And young techies who... Yeah, those guys. The vast majority of the county is well-to-do, oh there's a few spots that are "rough" where wine is served a bit over-chilled and the bree isn't quite ripe. The horror.
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(1) IMO from what you wrote, Hirokawa will initially take Santa Clara Co from dark red on the CA CCW GC map to light red or maybe even yellow. After that, who knows.

I would NOT give up on Smith. If she's as scared as you think, she may now be open to persuasion. As the old saying goes, "Politicians see the light when they feel the heat." Right now, she's feeling the heat of possibly being out of a job. Now, when she's vulnerable, suddenly CGNers are AWOL in the San Jose Chapter threads about her....

I'm really beginning to see that most CGNers are whiners who do NOTHING to improve their own situations, so rather than try to encourage or help them, I just do what I think best myself.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...play.php?f=307

Has ANYONE already contacted her via her campaign's FB page?

Santa Clara Co is the MOST populous county in NorCal. Smith is vulnerable. Hirokawa is better re. CCWs. This, or some other thread/s re. this election, should be among the busiest on CGN. Yet they're
The answer is simply no, no, no. With all due respect, Paladin, I think you've spent too much time on Calguns thinking about this stuff from an academic viewpoint. Smith has been ignoring us for twenty whole years. She was vulnerable last election too when Kevin Jensen took a shot at her seat and people tried to get her to come out for CCW then too. It was the same story. She ignored us and when she didn't do that she actively insulted us and showed her disdain for us in the SJ Merc interview. This indecisive "what about Smith" stuff isn't the solution to the problems in this county. It's just going to discourage people from voting her out. She can't be reached and she can't be negotiated with. And even if by some miracle she DID start talking to our community, I wouldn't be inclined to trust a single word out of her mouth.

The solution here is for her to go and for us to get a new guy in that is willing to overhaul the process. Someone who is open to our issue and has been talking to us from day 1.
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Appreciate the follow up and insight.

I'm afraid I find "a policy" without details rather fence riding. If he wants support, I think most want to know specifics about what these policies will say, require and so forth. If his intention is to become more 2A, then he should say so and how. Resistance to speaking specifics feels elusive, makes him distrustful and me disinclined to support him.
I feel like you simultaneously understood, and didn't understand what I said. He wants to issue permits more liberally. He's not announcing "shall issue" because it would be political suicide in this county. That's not being 'elusive', that's thinking strategically and having good political sense. Think back to 2016 when Hilary went to West Virginia and told a bunch of coal miners she was gonna put them out of a job. Coming out pro-Shall Issue in this county is the equivalent of that. None of us would be able to get any sleep from the collective RREEEEEEEE-ing of the antis. Smith would immediately start beating the drum that he's an evil NRA extremist candidate. Indeed, she tried to do just that exact same thing when it was Kevin Jensen back in 2014. And he only had like one meeting with us and never even made any formal announcements.

Whats happening here is something called subtlety. He's trying to maximize his votes while not giving Laurie any extra ammunition to attack him with.

Please lets just get rid of her this time. Hirokawa is the guy we need.
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I feel like you simultaneously understood, and didn't understand what I said. He wants to issue permits more liberally. He's not announcing "shall issue" because it would be political suicide in this county. That's not being 'elusive', that's thinking strategically and having good political sense. Think back to 2016 when Hilary went to West Virginia and told a bunch of coal miners she was gonna put them out of a job. Coming out pro-Shall Issue in this county is the equivalent of that. None of us would be able to get any sleep from the collective RREEEEEEEE-ing of the antis. Smith would immediately start beating the drum that he's an evil NRA extremist candidate. Indeed, she tried to do just that exact same thing when it was Kevin Jensen back in 2014. And he only had like one meeting with us and never even made any formal announcements.



Whats happening here is something called subtlety. He's trying to maximize his votes while not giving Laurie any extra ammunition to attack him with.



Please lets just get rid of her this time. Hirokawa is the guy we need.


I agree. Hirokawa is doing what a smart politician should do and that is to appeal to all voters. If he came out swinging for 2A, he will definitely lose the libtards. He is a democrat after all.

Iím done with Smith. Even if she has a pocketful of f**ks she still wouldnít give one out. No point trying to change someoneís mind when itís abundantly clear theyíre not willing to change.
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Smith has been ignoring us for twenty whole years. She was vulnerable last election too when Kevin Jensen took a shot at her seat and people tried to get her to come out for CCW then too. It was the same story.
No it isn't: this is her first runoff election in her entire career. As you said, she is afraid. Use that to your advantage even if you have no intention of voting for her.

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This indecisive "what about Smith" stuff isn't the solution to the problems in this county. It's just going to discourage people from voting her out.
Reality is incumbent sheriffs very rarely lose reelection. Lots of low-info voters who didn't vote for her in June will come out and vote for her (because of up ticket candidates/issues) in Nov. I'm saying take advantage of her fear now, by contacting her campaign now for her to change her CCW position now. What do you have to lose by trying? the price of a phone call? FB messages are FREE!

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She can't be reached and she can't be negotiated with. And even if by some miracle she DID start talking to our community, I wouldn't be inclined to trust a single word out of her mouth.
Unless you've tried all the methods used by SDCGO to get Sheriff Gore to switch and they've failed, you haven't tried. https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1473169

No one thought they could get Bill "Ruby Ridge" Gore to readily issue CCWs. They did it and you can easily read all about it here (the last 2 pages of posts): https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...1400940&page=4
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I think the county is quiet on 2A because its a strong foothold of liberals up here. And young techies who... Yeah, those guys. The vast majority of the county is well-to-do, oh there's a few spots that are "rough" where wine is served a bit over-chilled and the bree isn't quite ripe. The horror.
Too bad you can't figure out how to get some of those young, brilliant, high income techies to join our side of this fight...
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No it isn't: this is her first runoff election in her entire career. As you said, she is afraid. Use that to your advantage even if you have no intention of voting for her.



Reality is incumbent sheriffs very rarely lose reelection. Lots of low-info voters who didn't vote for her in June will come out and vote for her (because of up ticket candidates/issues) in Nov. I'm saying take advantage of her fear now, by contacting her campaign now for her to change her CCW position now. What do you have to lose by trying? the price of a phone call? FB messages are FREE!

Unless you've tried all the methods used by SDCGO to get Sheriff Gore to switch and they've failed, you haven't tried. https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1473169

No one thought they could get Bill "Ruby Ridge" Gore to readily issue CCWs. They did it and you can easily read all about it here (the last 2 pages of posts): https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...1400940&page=4
People tried to contact her back in 2014. She was vulnerable then too. She lost a lot of major endorsements and had a very capable opponent in Kevin Jensen. She never responded to anybodies attempts back then. It's not going to happen this time around. And as I already said, I wouldn't trust any promises she made anyways. We can't get through to her, so it's time to go around her and get someone else in there.

Reality is, a lot of people will probably be turning out to vote against her. She has been doing a bad job as Sheriff and has recently been the subject of a pretty serious scandal/allegation/coverup. See here: http://extras.mercurynews.com/harass/

Another source with more details: https://www.sanjoseinside.com/2018/0...90s-resurface/

Then there's also this little stunt: https://abc7news.com/exclusive-santa...ester/3430781/

Who could forget: https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investiga...228676411.html



Again, to emphasze, she knows we want a candidate to support and actively mocked us, on camera, during her interview with the SJ Merc editorial board. She's not going to be negotiated with. The reason you don't see anyone chomping at the bit to try to play her off against Hirokawa for CCW issuance is because everybody knows it won't go anywhere. People know it's a waste of time.

I sincerely hope you vote for Hirokawa on November 6th. And even more, I would hope you would get the word about him out to all your friends/family. Smith needs to go. It's long overdue.

ETA: Looking over the link you shared with the strategies people used to get Gore to issue, I can say that most, if not all, of those things have been tried. She won't budge. She mocks us openly. Time for her to retire.
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People tried to contact her back in 2014. She was vulnerable then too. She lost a lot of major endorsements and had a very capable opponent in Kevin Jensen. She never responded to anybodies attempts back then. It's not going to happen this time around. And as I already said, I wouldn't trust any promises she made anyways. We can't get through to her, so it's time to go around her and get someone else in there.

Reality is, a lot of people will probably be turning out to vote against her. She has been doing a bad job as Sheriff and has recently been the subject of a pretty serious scandal/allegation/coverup. See here: http://extras.mercurynews.com/harass/

Another source with more details: https://www.sanjoseinside.com/2018/0...90s-resurface/

Then there's also this little stunt: https://abc7news.com/exclusive-santa...ester/3430781/

Who could forget: https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investiga...228676411.html



Again, to emphasze, she knows we want a candidate to support and actively mocked us, on camera, during her interview with the SJ Merc editorial board. She's not going to be negotiated with. The reason you don't see anyone chomping at the bit to try to play her off against Hirokawa for CCW issuance is because everybody knows it won't go anywhere. People know it's a waste of time.

I sincerely hope you vote for Hirokawa on November 6th. And even more, I would hope you would get the word about him out to all your friends/family. Smith needs to go. It's long overdue.

ETA: Looking over the link you shared with the strategies people used to get Gore to issue, I can say that most, if not all, of those things have been tried. She won't budge. She mocks us openly. Time for her to retire.
Thanks. I'll read this thoughtful post and the links tomorrow.

For now just wanted to say contacting her and pushing her to change isn't the same as voting for her. Ideally you get two candidates who will issue fairly (about the best you can realistically ask for, getting SC Co to light red or yellow).
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LAURIE SMITH 56.51% 139,407
JOHN HIROKAWA 43.49% 107,305

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I don't understand how over 130k people can vote for her. Forget about guns for a moment: there are so many ethics questions and poor leadership decisions and other kinds of issues with her. It's got to be low information voters who don't think about or follow issues with the Sheriffs Dept. They must believe she's great because they don't know any better / don't bother to read the news.
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I don't understand how over 130k people can vote for her. Forget about guns for a moment: there are so many ethics questions and poor leadership decisions and other kinds of issues with her. It's got to be low information voters who don't think about or follow issues with the Sheriffs Dept. They must believe she's great because they don't know any better / don't bother to read the news.


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Way too early to even talk about it. For one thing we have no idea who will be running, or IF there will even be anyone to oppose Laurie. John was our best shot. He had broad support and roots in the community and was highly qualified for the job. He still lost by a pretty good margin, despite how much terrible **** about Laurie came out.

It's all well and good to talk on CG about "organizing" but what exactly do you propose we do? We can't just pull a qualified candidate out of thin air.
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Way too early to even talk about it.
Ha! You plan on forming and organizing an army only after you've got a general?

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For one thing we have no idea who will be running, or IF there will even be anyone to oppose Laurie.
So? San Diego Co Gun Owners formed years before Myers stepped up to challenge Sheriff Gore.

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You know this and yet think you can wait for form an organization?

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Have you ever thought about contacting San Diego Co Gun Owners for advice? Sure, Myers didn't win, but all the pressure they brought to bear against Gore got him to switch to readily issuing CCWs ("light green" on the map). Gore is now issuing ~100 per month and just passed 2,000 total. A year and a half ago, they had maybe 300 or so issued.

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Here is the story. San Diego County Gun Owners SDCGO launched in late 2015. From the start we focused on the Sheriff’s CCW policies and getting him to change them or elect someone who will.
In no particular order SDCGO:
- Spoke to Gore’s supporters, donors, friends, colleagues, and staff about what was wrong with his CCW policies.
- Interviewed on TV news, radio, and in print regarding Gore’s CCW policies
- We met with organizations that had endorsed him in the past and got them to withhold their endorsement due to his CCW policies
- Sent people to Gore’s fundraisers and speaking events to publicly criticize his CCW policies
- Met with Gore to complain about his polices
- Met with his opponent and helped him (a lot) craft his proposed CCW policy
- Raised money for his opponent and eventually endorsed his opponent
- Authored a resolution (letter from the city) for Santee stating that they, as a city, disagree with his CCW policy and want him to change it
- Got other elected officials on the federal and local level to meet with Gore and ask him to change his CCW polices. Some of this was made public and published in newspapers.
- Got the undersheriff in Orange County to talk to Gore about how successful their CCW program has been
This is most of what we did and in the end it worked. After Santee passed their resolution he called SDCGO and we spent last summer meeting with Gore’s staff. We asked for good cause to be “self defense” or “personal protection”. We did not get that. But what we got is better than it has been in decades.
Just about any good cause is approved, but the tricky part is you have to have proof. Gore was audited by the state and he doesn’t want a bad audit. So there has to be some kind of proof or backup showing your good cause is real.
Example:
Good cause – I’m a contractor and carry expensive tools to the job sight.
Proof – contractor’s license
Good cause – I hoke and camp often in San Diego’s back country.
Proof – pictures of you camping and a log book showing specifically where you go, how long, and what you bring.

I met with the undersheriff two weeks ago and they are full steam ahead on making the process better and continuing to issue. Last September there were around 1,100 CCWs issued in San Diego (not including judges and law enforcement). As of tonight there are 1682 (according to the counter added to the sheriff’s CCW webpage). Over 500 additional permits issued in just under a year. About a dozen have been turned down to background check issues (like finding a domestic violence conviction or recent DUI) and around 6 have been turned down due to their good cause statement. Mostly it was because they did not follow our instructions or refused to produce proof. I think they should have been granted a CCW, but I also think they would have been issued a permit had they followed our instructions.
They have hired more staff and I am trying to convince them to get the same software Orange County uses to run their program. SDCGO continues to fight back bureaucracy that has tried to creep into the system and we’ve been successful. It is NOT perfect…but we are continuing to make it better and we can hardly believe how much it has changed for the better.
Basically, most people in San Diego are about 16 sentences away from a CCW. It is real. It is happening. If you haven’t applied yet, you are missing out. There is a backlog and yes, that sucks. Call right now and make your appointment. Then take a few months while you wait for your first appointment to complete the application, write your good cause statement, get proof of your good cause, and take a few training classes on CA carry laws/lethal force laws.
I have given over 30 seminars (most were free) on how to get your CCW and what to write for your good cause. SDCGO has produced a video explaining how to apply and what to write for your good cause. We have produced a Good Cause Worksheet that walks you through each sentence. SDCGO has posted over 25 good cause statements that we know have been approved. All can be found on www.SDCGO.org/CCW

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Just because they updated the page doesn't mean anything. I'm done with Santa Clara and Laurie Smith. I'm moving to Modesto.
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They got a new roll-away dumpster just to accept them- you can drive up and drop off without getting out of your car..
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It's best to provide a link and a quote to what has changed or is new.

ASSUMING you're talking about: https://www.sccgov.org/sites/sheriff/Pages/ccw.aspx

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Concealed Carry Permits (CCW)

Applications and licenses for the carrying of a concealed weapon (CCW) are issued by the Sheriff and registered with the California Department of Justice pursuant to provisions associated with California Penal Code Sections 26150 – 26225.

The Sheriff may issue a license to any person residing within Santa Clara County. However, persons residing in a municipality other than those served by the Sheriff’s Office are encouraged to first contact their local Police Chief and apply for the license.

The Santa Clara County Sheriff's Office is currently accepting and processing CCW applications. However, due to the extremely large number of applications we received during the Peruta v. San Diego arguments in Federal Court, there is a tremendous backlog. Please be patient as we work our way through the backlog. As such, we are not able to provide status updates on individual applications at this time.

The Santa Clara County Sheriff’s Office does not collect application fees at the time of application submission.

If you are interested in applying for a CCW permit, please complete the application below and submit it either via mail or in-person to:

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ATTN: CCW Unit
55 W Younger Avenue
San Jose, CA 95110​

If you have any questions, please email CCW@sheriff.sccgov.org.
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Other than the date change and maybe the Range Qualification link to a .pdf, what's changed? I don't remember the Range Qual. before and it may be required by the change of the CCW law that takes effect this year.

She's still talking about a backlog after Peruta -- presumably our 3-judge panel win back in 2012 Feb 13 -- almost 6 years ago and it was denied cert 2017 June, a year and a half ago! Those are still clogging their CCW process?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peruta...n_Diego_County

If you're talking about the "CCW Policy" .pdf linked at that webpage (https://www.sccgov.org/sites/sheriff...W%20Policy.pdf), it has changed: it used to have an asterisk after it mentioned Good Cause that lead to a footnote that said GC is currently being decided in the federal courts. Again, Peruta was denied cert (neither upheld nor overturned) by SCOTUS a year and a half ago. It's about time they got rid of that footnote.

Bottom line: there is NO new/changed information that suggests Sheriff Smith has loosened her restrictive GC policy. If you have any, please post it!

Now for some good news: the sentence I bolded, if I'm reading it correctly, implies that you can apply and get a GC determination for FREE!!! If that it true, it is definitely good news re. CCWs from Sheriff Smith. (I don't recall it being there before, but since I review sooo many sheriff's websites, I can't say for sure...) If it is new, it *might* indicate that she's less anti CCW than she has been in the past. (I won't go so far as to describe her as being "pro CCW" at this point.) If someone lives in Santa Clara Co and has substantial GC, I suggest you apply and see how it goes. Quite often the attitudes of the CCW unit personnel reflect the CLEO's attitude re. CCWs. Let us know if they are friendly, helpful and encouraging or the reverse. After you get issued or denied, let us know what your GC was like, but not with so much detail as to I.D. you, so that we can learn what passes and what fails in Santa Clara County nowadays. She may have liberalized issues, a little or a lot, and we wouldn't know about it if no one applies and posts about it. (Or PMs me in confidence.)

Last, remember that Sheriff Gore liberalized issuance and for many months CGNers trashed him, saying it was nothing but talk. But now he's gone from ~300 CCWs a year and a half ago to >2,000 before Jan 1st! An almost 7x increase!

You can go thru the history of that and see how over the past 6 months the non-believers have been "converted" and believe Gore has truly changed.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1400940

Sheriff Sandra Hutchens reduced OC CCWs to just a few hundred before liberalizing issuance and now they have something like 20,000 issued 2-year CCWs.

That can happen to Sheriff Laurie Smith too. Trash talking her is pointless and foolish. She's not the one stopping you from carrying under the 2nd Amendment -- the federal courts are. Be mad at them!

Last, I'd also STRONGLY URGE you to review in detail my advice thread for applying for a CoCoCo CCW. It will get your thinking straight re. what you're really applying for (a permit to exercise a privilege, not a right), and I don't think it could hurt. See: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1482924
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soooo sounds like,
1. The policy has been updated and changed.
2. Range Qualifications has been posted

Looks like they are putting time and money into the licensing, or assigning time to an employee to start going through the applications.
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soooo sounds like,
1. The policy has been updated and changed.
2. Range Qualifications has been posted

Looks like they are putting time and money into the licensing, or assigning time to an employee to start going through the applications.


I love your optimism. Try applying and let us know how it goes. You can PM Paladin for help. Heís quite knowledgeable regarding CCW.
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Old 01-12-2019, 6:20 PM
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soooo sounds like,
1. The policy has been updated and changed.
2. Range Qualifications has been posted

Looks like they are putting time and money into the licensing, or assigning time to an employee to start going through the applications.
The CCW webpage still talks of a backlog of apps due to Peruta despite that having died at SCOTUS 1.5 years ago.... When they've removed that (assuming that means they've caught up on app), that might indicate something.

The "CCW Policy" has been "updated" (the footnote re. waiting for Peruta has been removed), but I don't see how that "changed" the policy, much less made it better. Still no clues as to what passes for GC. risks due to employment? (Female residential RE agent showing homes alone? Au/Ag coin dealer? jeweler? MD/DDS/PharmD who has access to/transports drugs? Prop. Mgnr collecting rents and making night deposits? small business owner making night sales deposits?) Risks due to physical vulnerability? (physical handicap preventing fight or flight?)

Don't get me wrong: I'd LOVE to hear Smith hass loosened up on Good Cause (that's the hurdle that's a barrier for most law-abiding folk). But so far, I don't see any indication of that.

What no longer surprises me, but continues to disappoint me, is that NOBODY in this thread is stepping forward to say they'll apply (and report back) even though it implies they won't charge you ANYTHING to have your GC evaluated.

Too many gunnies still believe a GC denial is a black mark against you in future apps -- it isn't. They'll just look into the reason for it, just like they'll look into a GMC denial, and see if you should still be denied for it.
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Old 01-12-2019, 6:31 PM
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I love your optimism. Try applying and let us know how it goes. You can PM Paladin for help. Heís quite knowledgeable regarding CCW.
Heck, you should try too! It implies it is "no charge" to get your GC evaluated. If you get approved, you might not have to move.
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