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Yeah, I’m bringing the kitchen sink when I go, haha!! Passport, SSC, W-2, Property Tax Bill, Utility Bill, the works.

What a mess, though. Damn.
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From the CA DMV website, sez an original birth certificate is supposed to be good to go...

Proof of identity such as an original or certified copy of a U.S. birth certificate, U.S. passport, employment authorization, permanent resident card, or foreign passport with an approved form 1-94.
Proof of Social Security Number such as an SSN card, W-2, or paystub with full SSN.
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And you still don't need ID to vote.....��
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Statement: I renewed by CDL by snail mail, last year. So I'm screwed in trying to make a firearm purchase, until I waist a day sitting at the local DMV, getting the new Real-ID paperwork submitted.

Question One: Once DMV is "satisfied" and submits paperwork to get a Real-ID CDL. Does the DMV issue a temporary Real-ID CDL till the new Real-ID CDL gets delivered and guestimate of when a new DMV Real-ID CDL shows up in my mail box ?

Question two: Without a Real-ID CDL, can I sell a weapon ?
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Statement: I renewed by CDL by snail mail, last year. So I'm screwed in trying to make a firearm purchase, until I waist a day sitting at the local DMV, getting the new Real-ID paperwork submitted.

Question One: Once DMV is "satisfied" and submits paperwork to get a Real-ID CDL. Does the DMV issue a temporary Real-ID CDL till the new Real-ID CDL gets delivered and guestimate of when a new DMV Real-ID CDL shows up in my mail box ?

Question two: Without a Real-ID CDL, can I sell a weapon ?
Does your CA DL have "Federal Limits Apply" on it? As I understand it, they only started marking it that way with recent renewals (20-Jan-2018).

Paper copies are not acceptable for firearms transfers.

I don't see why you couldn't sell a firearm, but there would be an issue if the buyer was denied and the firearm was to be returned to you if you have such a license.
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It does not have the "Federal Limits Apply" or anything on the upper right front of the CDL.

ISS date was 10/31/2017

But on the back it has that wonderful small box that says "This license is issued as a license to drive a motor vehicle; it does not establish eligibility for employment, voter registration or public benefits"

Guess that makes yet another format used for CDL's from the AB60 SNAFU
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It does not have the "Federal Limits Apply" or anything on the upper right front of the CDL.

ISS date was 10/31/2017

But on the back it has that wonderful small box that says "This license is issued as a license to drive a motor vehicle; it does not establish eligibility for employment, voter registration or public benefits"

Guess that makes yet another format used for CDL's from the AB60 SNAFU
That has always been there. Mine from 2015 has that.

Your license is acceptable for firearm transfers.
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So ATF told me there is no official answer, but it should be OK to take a non real id. DOJ said no you cant because of the AB60 Bulletin. lol,

Are you guys just putting a temporary blanket ban on non-real IDs for now? Or are you accepting them?
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So ATF told me there is no official answer, but it should be OK to take a non real id. DOJ said no you cant because of the AB60 Bulletin. lol,

Are you guys just putting a temporary blanket ban on non-real IDs for now? Or are you accepting them?
The ATF told me (in email) AB-60 version is no good for 4473. Must use passport. They had no idea what CA would accept. I sent them images of an actual customers ID to make it clear what I was looking at.
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The CA DOJ Inspector tild me that the Federal Limits Apply ID is not acceptable for firearm transfers and nothing can be added to make it acceptable. Anyone found accepting it will be written up.

Not much of a choice with being told that.
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We've been telling folks that we need Real-ID cards (or pre AB60 cards) to process their transactions.
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And for those of us that don't "Facebook" it says...
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CA started issuing non-real ID's and drivers licenses starting January 22nd 2018. If you renew online or by mail they will send you the default card with AB60 verbiage on the back making it so you CANNOT purchase firearms or ammunition. If you are renewing your ID or drivers license you need to go in person to the DMV and will need to bring the required paperwork. DMV has a checklist online as to what you will need to bring.
There is also an image pointing out the difference.

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Sorry, Tried to link the photo couldnt figure it out lol.
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That says it pretty succinctly.
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That says it pretty succinctly.
Since when was valid ID needed federally for buying ammo? I understand age verification but thats not the point. This is a 4473 issue.
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JUST A FYI*** That info graphic is made by one of US (dealers) not a official bulletin or anything lol

I know one of the BIG BOX stores is accepting the Fed Limits Apllies cards as long as they were issued after 01/2018
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There is also an image pointing out the difference.


I think it's hilarious that the stock samples show Asians or 90's looking white guy, black woman, and white woman in different versions, but NEVER anyone of Hispanic descent. Of course illegal immigrants come in all colors, shapes, and sizes unless they're Hispanic that is.



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Since when was valid ID needed federally for buying ammo? I understand age verification but thats not the point. This is a 4473 issue.
The ammo will be in the future.

This is NOT a 4473 issue, but a DROS issue. You don't need a CA ID/DL for the 4473, any combination of government documents work, but for a CA DROS you are required to have a CA ID/DL or military ID with duty orders.
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I know one of the BIG BOX stores is accepting the Fed Limits Apllies cards as long as they were issued after 01/2018
And they may pay the price come their next CA DOJ inspection. I don't think that they realize that and when they do, it might be too late.
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I think it's hilarious that the stock samples show Asians or 90's looking white guy, black woman, and white woman in different versions, but NEVER anyone of Hispanic descent. Of course illegal immigrants come in all colors, shapes, and sizes unless their Hispanic that is.
I think it is intentional. They really don't want people to realize that the Federal Limits Apply license is an illegal alien license. If people knew that, it is much more likely that they do would what it takes to get a real license.
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I think it is intentional. They really don't want people to realize that the Federal Limits Apply license is an illegal alien license. If people knew that, it is much more likely that they do would what it takes to get a real license.

I concur. CA wouldn't want to offend the easily offended DREAMERS now.
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The ammo will be in the future.

This is NOT a 4473 issue, but a DROS issue. You don't need a CA ID/DL for the 4473, any combination of government documents work, but for a CA DROS you are required to have a CA ID/DL or military ID with duty orders.
Yes it is first. The whole point is that the Feds don’t accept the DL for any federal gov issue. This whole problem came from ATF stating it’s not acceptable for federal issues including boarding planes or entering government installments or firearm purchases

Can someone point me to where CA DOJ has stated they won’t accept these licenses? If there was a bulletin on this I didn’t see it and need to look it up.

EDIT. PROBABLY DUE TO DOJ and being able to do a NICS?

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Yes it is first. The whole point is that the Feds don’t accept the DL for any federal gov issue. This whole problem came from ATF stating it’s not acceptable for federal issues including boarding planes or entering government installments or firearm purchases

Can someone point me to where CA DOJ has stated they won’t accept these licenses? If there was a bulletin on this I didn’t see it and need to look it up.

EDIT. PROBABLY DUE TO DOJ and being able to do a NICS?
The AB60 bulletin, plus I talked to an inspector.

For the Feds, you could also have a passport. I have not heard them say that it is unacceptable for firearms either.
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The AB60 bulletin, plus I talked to an inspector.

For the Feds, you could also have a passport. I have not heard them say that it is unacceptable for firearms either.
Ya, sometimes if the guys run into a bulletin, it doesn’t always get printed out if they’re trying to get through it to get a DROS done.

If that’s the case, there should be no reason for CA not to accept a PP too with proof of residency if it were put on the drop down for type of ID. Such BS!
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Ya, sometimes if the guys run into a bulletin, it doesn’t always get printed out if they’re trying to get through it to get a DROS done.

If that’s the case, there should be no reason for CA not to accept a PP too with proof of residency if it were put on the drop down for type of ID. Such BS!
I think the issue is that CA DOJ relies on DL# to do their background checks.
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Right. But nothing has changed for CA DOJ to do that other than their own imposed wording on the license which they deem legit and constitutional.

The number isn't changing. CA DOJ does the background check ect.
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Right. But nothing has changed for CA DOJ to do that other than their own imposed wording on the license which they deem legit and constitutional.

The number isn't changing. CA DOJ does the background check ect.
Thats all fine and dandy, but if THEY are the ones who says its a NO GO and will be the ones doing the audit then how do you argue that?
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Guys, Check this out. I was told I couldn't purchase a gun with the words federal limits apply. Its simply not true.

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Guys, Check this out. I was told I couldn't purchase a gun with the words federal limits apply. Its simply not true.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2018...earm-purchases
The BATF is Federal and they have absolutely no say in regards to the state laws. The CA DOJ said the the FLA license was not acceptable for the DROS, which is the roadblock. For the Feds ANY government ID is acceptable, but not for CA since the CA PC requires a CA ID or DL or military ID with duty orders.

So your claim that it isn't true isn't true.

With that said, I have been told that the view has changed and an updated bulletin will be coming out, but the question is when and whether it is a good idea to go with the unknown specifics now or wait until it is official. There is risk in not waiting.
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That's quite the suspicious account.
Wonder who it is? I mean somebody PM them asking for their direct extension number at the DOJ.
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what suspicious about my account? I just signed up. My ccw instructor told me about the site. Im looking into purchasing guns and researched the info. The ATF page in the NRA write up states its been pulled. That is also true.
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and yes, I am a Beretta fan. I own a Beretta 92FS I bought when I old enough and still love them today. Lasermax guide rod and all
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what suspicious about my account? I just signed up. My ccw instructor told me about the site. Im looking into purchasing guns and researched the info. The ATF page in the NRA write up states its been pulled. That is also true.
From the page you linked (towards the bottom):
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California licensed firearm dealers should be aware, however, that the California Department of Justice (“DOJ”) may nonetheless continue to hold the position that any “FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY” licenses cannot be used for the purposes of purchasing a firearm.
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One of the weird things I found about the "FLA" license is that Commercial License Drivers have to show documents almost verbatim to the documents required for a REAL ID, but there's a "FLA" Commercial Driver's License. That gets even more muddled with the Hazardous Materials CDL endorsement which requires TSA background-check clearance to get. I think one of the glaringly ironic things is that a record of military service (DD-214) is okay for proof of social security for a Commercial Driver's License but not a REAL ID.

Commercial licenses are issued by individual states adhering to federal laws and requirements and REAL ID is the same (federal laws/regs, issued by individual states), does anyone know if a "FLA" Commercial Driver's License is a sufficient ID with which to purchase a firearm in CA? Or does that verbiage fall into the no-go for CA DOJ?
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Commercial licenses are issued by individual states adhering to federal laws and requirements and REAL ID is the same (federal laws/regs, issued by individual states), does anyone know if a "FLA" Commercial Driver's License is a sufficient ID with which to purchase a firearm in CA? Or does that verbiage fall into the no-go for CA DOJ?
The last bulletin said that a FLA license was not acceptable, but I have been told that this is changing. Who knows when the updated bulletin will come out and what it will say. So the answer is that it depends.
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One of the weird things I found about the "FLA" license is that Commercial License Drivers have to show documents almost verbatim to the documents required for a REAL ID, but there's a "FLA" Commercial Driver's License. That gets even more muddled with the Hazardous Materials CDL endorsement which requires TSA background-check clearance to get. I think one of the glaringly ironic things is that a record of military service (DD-214) is okay for proof of social security for a Commercial Driver's License but not a REAL ID.

Commercial licenses are issued by individual states adhering to federal laws and requirements and REAL ID is the same (federal laws/regs, issued by individual states), does anyone know if a "FLA" Commercial Driver's License is a sufficient ID with which to purchase a firearm in CA? Or does that verbiage fall into the no-go for CA DOJ?
I've had one of these come through and unfortunately the FLA verbiage is identical on the front and back of the DL. I advised the individual that we could not accept it.


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The last bulletin said that a FLA license was not acceptable, but I have been told that this is changing. Who knows when the updated bulletin will come out and what it will say. So the answer is that it depends.
DOJ will have to provide instructions on how to distinguish true AB-60 DL's from the new FLA ID/DL's. We still have to comply with federal law re: illegals and DOJ is aware of that through the original bulletin. What CA needs to do is specifically mark AB-60 DL's with "AB-60" somewhere on the card.
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