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Old 02-28-2018, 7:20 PM
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I finally broke down, got a little tipsy, over bid on proxibid, and ended up with my first Broomhandle. I probably overpaid but that is the price you pay for gin a tonics and a bid site....


Banner Mauser Model C-96 semi-auto pistol, .30 caliber, Serial #9104xx, one of the last 10,000 pistols to be made. The pistol is in good overall condition with 5 ” barrel. The pistol has gone to a combination of grey/brown patina with sharp markings and a tangent style rear sight. The frame is marked with the Mauser banner. The smooth wood grips are in good condition showing moderate wear from use and carry. The barrel is import marked on the underside. The bore is fair, the action crisp and markings are sharp. The lot includes a period leather should holster with two magazine pouches.

It a C96 M3 variant probably built around 1937. Had a very brown Patina. Seems to function but I can't start DROS until March 6. I got it at Little Johns. Bought some ammo from Target sports this AM. I have a ton of Tokarev but I will chrony both in my tokerev to see how hot it is before I would use it in the C96. Quickload seems to think its the same cartridge, but I guess some loads are hotter than others.










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Awesome!! Inspect the colt stop cutout very closely.

Get a new production bolt stop and springs before you shoot it. Do not under any circumstances shoot 7.62x25 Tokarev anmo or related loads. Congrats!
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Drinking and bidding can be dangerous, ask 81turbota

Although I'm guilty as well, haha. Nice pickup!
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I am really excited about this. I went to dros it today but Little johns has an ATF audit or something so they were closed. I wanted to have it ready for the WEGC C&R gig on the 11th.

I also picked up an Enfield No 4 Mk1 in great shape. Now I just need to find some brass.
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"I was drunk when I bought this!" LOL

In all seriousness, congrats! I don't have one but have been fortunate enough to have gotten the opportunity to shoot quite a few. Very neat design from the dawn of the auto loading pistol.
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Congrats, at least you wound up with something good and not something that looked good at the time.
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Congratulations!
I have 2 broomhandles and love them.
May I be so bold as to ask ....what did you pay for this fine piece of history!
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They're fun as Hell to shoot but do they throw the brass. Mine throws brass about 6 feet high and 10 feet to the left-rear. Policing the brass is NOT fun.
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PPU makes 7.63 Mauser ammo. I've used it without any problems. A stripper clip makes loading a lot easier as well. Sarco has them. I also recommend watching disassembly video before you clean and oil it. They are pretty complicated.
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PPU makes 7.63 Mauser ammo. I've used it without any problems. A stripper clip makes loading a lot easier as well. Sarco has them. I also recommend watching disassembly video before you clean and oil it. They are pretty complicated.
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yep, they are so well fitted / machined, they kind of remind me of a Swiss watch because of all the mechanical parts in the design / mechanism

old time craftmanship, I wouldnt even shoot something this old, I consider it an antique / collector piece.

7.62 Tokarev ammo is way too hot for a C96, it will damage the gun, dont even try to test it with that ammo.
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The tok ammo v mauser ammo is really been distorted IMHO

See - http://askmisterscience.com/1896mauserbackup/ammo.htm

Has anyone ever seen a blown up C96? No.

The M30 variant is a bit stronger than all the previous variants in the chamber are...that said, I am spooked enough to do my own tests

I'm going to test the 7.63 Mauser and 7.62 tokarev ammo urban myth in the tokarev I own. I will fire ten rounds of each through a chrony to determine velocities. I might even swap bullets around to make sure I have the same exact projectile. Than, using quickload, I can back model the results to determine chamber pressures. If the velocities are the same I don't need to do anything because velocity is proportional to pressure with the same barrel, and if the Mauser ammo produces the same velocity IT IS the same chamber pressures if the bullets are the same. After reading a fair amount on the subject I think the issue is there are some Tokarev loads out there that will even stress a Tokerev, and its a matter of avoiding them. The 30 mauser and 7.62x25 Tokarev are basically the same case, same dimensions, with the same rated chamber pressures....

We shall see what the results are soon. Not that I want to shoot my Tokarev in the Mauser but that's only because its corrosive.
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PPU makes 7.63 Mauser ammo. I've used it without any problems. A stripper clip makes loading a lot easier as well. Sarco has them. I also recommend watching disassembly video before you clean and oil it. They are pretty complicated.
Nice find.
I finally test fired my Luger and used the PPU 7.63 ammo. It ran great.

People can criticize broomhandles all they want, but it only took one round to drop Greedo with one in the Mos Eisley cantina.
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I finally test fired my Luger and used the PPU 7.63 ammo. It ran great.

People can criticize broomhandles all they want, but it only took one round to drop Greedo with one in the Mos Eisley cantina.
Yeah, but that's easy to do when you cheat and shoot first
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Welcome to the broomhandle club!

Definitely take it to the WEGC meet - the guys really helped me out with mine that had a sear issue. Got it functioning pretty reliably after that!
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There is an old Army saying: "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.."
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That is a nice, honest old Broomhandle. I don't know what you paid for it, but there is a saying in the collecting world "You didn't pay too much, you just bought it a little early".

I bought one made during WWI a few years ago and haven't shot it because, well, I just haven't. I have one of the Chinese bring backs that I have shot and it always gets a lot of questions at the range.
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There is an old Army saying: "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.."
I have heard that saying but the one I like better, and which makes much more sense is "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics sucked."

High power thanks for your kind words. The gun cost me $1,080.00 OTD. I meant to only go to $900 but I forgot about the buyers premium which was 20%. Yes I bought early but the way I drive, and with people texting while driving, I'd rather have it now than miss the whole C96 experience if I die in a car accident.

So next is the hookers dressed as a cheer leading squad while doing an IV drip of viagra....and some of those old phen phen diet pills. I'll post a video of that.
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I think you did very well with what you paid for that. I hate to say what my 1916 Broomhandle cost me.

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Nice. I have always wanted one. In fact, I've seen the exact one I would give my left testicle for. It was in +95% and had a happy switch but, it was in a LEA's inventory at the crime lab so, I know I'll never get a chance to even see it again let alone shoot or own it.
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I had a beater that FedOrd rebarreled to 9mm and did a fantastic reblue and recutting of the markings. It came with a stock also. Sold it some years ago to fund another gun. Great fun to shoot while I had it! Have fun with yours.
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High power the original wooden stocks sell for over $1,000.00 minimum. So your unit is minimum $2,000.00
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Congrats, its a beauty.

Even after all the fortunes I have squandered on guns, I am still a little flinchy with regard to $2K C&R handguns.... Even though they aren't getting cheaper....
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yep, they are so well fitted / machined, they kind of remind me of a Swiss watch because of all the mechanical parts in the design / mechanism

old time craftmanship
The ONLY screw in a C96 is the grip screw. The rest of it fits together like a jigsaw puzzle--a very intricate one at that.
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The auction before one slipped through for $450.00. I'm
Not sure how or why.

I'd rather spend $2,000.00 on a Mauser or colt python or ssa than $3,000.00 on a fancy AR which you'll never get your money back on. You can build the worlds most accurate at for $1,000.00, the rest is just bling. However, an original correct M1 carbine will appreciate almost like Apple stock did the last decade.
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Looks like a decent M1930 model. As previously mentioned, do not shoot 7.62 Tokarev out of these guns, inspect the bolt stop, and replace all the springs to factory spec with a Wolff spring kit and you should be good to go.
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I'd rather spend $2,000.00 on a Mauser or colt python or ssa than $3,000.00 on a fancy AR which you'll never get your money back on.
Hold on.

Are you telling me that my $1500 M&P-15 AR that I bought at the height of the 2009 panic is now worth less than what I paid for it? Even with the original receipt from Gougers Gun Shop?

Bollocks!!
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Does anyone have a tried and true method to get all the grime and dirt off the grips? I can see the wood color in spots and I think the gun would look better with newer looking handles. I don't want to damage the wood in any way...god forbid!
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Try a soft bristled brush and Hoppes No9. I have used this method for years with great results.
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You can use hot BLO and a piece of burlap to scrub the grips clean. Heat the BLO in an old coffee can to as hot as you can stand, dip the burlap in and start scrubbing. After you're done the grips will also have the added benefit of being protected from drying out.
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Shot some surplus Czech and Romanian tokarev through my TT yesterday. The stuff is hot, averaging 1450 fps. Corrosive too although I stripped the gun and cleaned it with the Costco window cleaner foam, followed by rubbing alcohol, than a hair dryer and oil.


I'll get the average 30 Mauser ppu ammo speeds up as soon as the ammo arrives by the tokarev ammo is a no go.
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Nice gun and interesting thread. I bought a 1911 broomhandle last year at Ontario gunshow. Fair price and it came with repro wooden case and leather holster.

I never replaced anything on it. I just bought stripper clips and a bunch of PPU ammo and shot the heck out of it. Very fun gun to shoot!!!!!

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