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Old 02-11-2018, 12:34 AM
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Default Sig P320 Rit Dye Camo Experiment

Post em if you got em. I don't have an FDE frame to spare for this experiment, however I do have a ODG compact in small to trade for anyone who wants to part with their FDE Rit Dye experiments (assuming also compact small). If you've replicated the camo patterns out there, you've earned many kudos from me. :lol:




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Old 02-11-2018, 12:35 AM
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It didn't turn out as camo patterned as I had liked. Likely because I used strips from a cut up T-Shirt v. something less "soaking" like rope. I still like the way it came out though. It's pretty close to Magpul Foliage, which is my favorite color scheme, with a tad bit of FDE specks remaining. I took a bit of sandpaper to rough the edges and give it a semi-battle-worn finish to help bring out a bit more FDE finish.

For now, I'm content with the way the grips turned out. I'm sure that as time goes on, the dye will wear into a much better look. Of course, I will try again with additional grips. That being said, my black and ODG grips will be FS or trade for FDE at some point.

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hum, not bad looking
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I might try rubbing alcohol to help remove some of the color. I'm also considering adding another color to add to this scheme, but this time I'll use non-absorbing material.
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I wonder how long the color holds up.

I have a favorite hat (black in color, FYI) that has suffered from color fade over the years.

I have re-dyed it black with Rit, twice. Eventually, the color fades again.

I really like those patterns posted in your OP J. They look achievable with rattle cans or an airbrush. I have no idea how you get that good with dye LOL. Guess I will have to watch that video at some point.

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A little better lighting to show the FDE speckles



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Looks good! I like the blck slide on with some fde speckles showing.
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Neat. Looks good.
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That tan slide and frame actually look great!
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Thanks, folks. I just remembered that I have an FDE full size frame also. I'll try black or gray dye and rubber bands this time. I might add the black or gray dye to the compact and sub compact if round 2 goes well.
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Since Rit dye is water based, I can't imagine that the resulting color is very durable?

It does look okay, but after all that work to strip and reassemble, you could have just hydro dipped the frame. You can buy the material to do it yourself.
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I think everything you posted was hydro-dipped except that woodland camo one.
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Since Rit dye is water based, I can't imagine that the resulting color is very durable?

It does look okay, but after all that work to strip and reassemble, you could have just hydro dipped the frame. You can buy the material to do it yourself.
Have you seen any videos on "stripping" P320 frames? The point of this experiment wasn't durability to begin with, but I'm sure that will be a bonus result.


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I think everything you posted was hydro-dipped except that woodland camo one.
That's incorrect. They were all Rit Dye jobs based on Magpul's Sand PMags. See links and videos.
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I wonder how long the color holds up.

I have a favorite hat (black in color, FYI) that has suffered from color fade over the years.

I have re-dyed it black with Rit, twice. Eventually, the color fades again.
Try setting the color with a mordant after dying

http://www.allnaturaldyeing.com/mordants-fixatives/
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Default Test #2 - Rubber Bands

Test #2 - Rubber Bands with FDE FS and SC frames




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Things learned...

1. The rubber bands worked MUCH better, BUT they need to be tight on the frame.

2. Rubber bands worked really well for tiger style camo

3. The mag catch/release removal on compacts is a PITA. FS and SC worked fine.

4. The SC mag release parts are completely different from FS and C (SC parts are shorter). Spring is the same. FS and C use the same parts.

5. I might take the experiment #1 frames and dye with black using rubber bands to mimic FDE/Green/Black tiger camo.

6. I will trade my OEM ODG Compact (small Gen 2), OEM black compact (small Gen 2), OEM comact (medium Gen 1), and even the experiment #1 grips for anyone's carry or compact (small Gen 2) FDE grips so that I can continue experimenting. I have new ideas. PM me, I will pay for shipping both ways.

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Test #2 - Rubber Bands with FDE FS and SC frames

Things learned...

1. The rubber bands worked MUCH better, BUT they need to be tight on the frame.

2. Rubber bands worked really well for tiger style camo

Try tape like Eddy VanHallen did with his guitar.



You could also try wax.



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Rubber bands? Tape? Wax? These will allow the color to bleed too much, unless that is the look you want.

Try silicone window sealant or gasket maker. You could apply, brush, or dab on the exact design you want, let it dry, then apply the Rit. I guarantee you'll get the exact design you where you want the Rit to be. It will seal 100% from the Rit traveling to wherever it is; wax might so that, but harder to apply and what a mess to remove.

Then once done, rub off the silicone from the polymer, because while the silicone sticks very well to seal, it won't stick well enough to polymer that it can't be peeled off.

You can create designs better; make letters, foliage designs, etc.


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I took the grips from Take 1 and re-dyed them in "Dark Brown" RIt Dye using the rubber band technique. The color reacted with the "Dark Green" and turned darker bluish-green.





Comparison of Take 2 (FDE with Dark Green dye) frames with Take 1.5 frames (FDE Frames with Dark Green dye, re-dyed with Dark Brown).





I decided to tear down one of my AR's Magpul FDE furniture to see how Dark Brown would react and the color turned out brownish-greenish. I did like how the color bled brown into the rubber band lines, but kept the FDE. It reminds me of South East Asian Jungle Camo. I'll take more photos under natural lighting later. You can see the color reaction variance between Sig FDE and Magpul FDE.





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THat's an interesting terchnique. However I think I would have bought some PVC pipe for a few bucks and practiced with different materials before jumping in on the actual frames, just to find something you like first. But kudos for going in head first!
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THat's an interesting terchnique. However I think I would have bought some PVC pipe for a few bucks and practiced with different materials before jumping in on the actual frames, just to find something you like first. But kudos for going in head first!

Thanks! I considered using a test medium, but that would've required more work and trips to the store.

I just took the plunge since I could go progressively darker. Balls to the walls, my friend.
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An update to this. I accidentally gouged the stock locker on my Magpul CTR. Much to my surprise, the plastic underneath wasn't FDE, but the greenish-brown color.

I'm almost tempted to cut up one of the P320 frames for the sake of learning how deep the dye penetrated.
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Photos in better lighting and after install of the ARMagLock Gen2 with Kingpin system for CA's new asinine laws if you want to retain features. I used an FDE mag to show how much the color has changed.










As far as the ARMagLock Gen2 w/Kingpin kit goes. It works, but requires tuning to your individual rifle. I've got it to work 99% of the time where the 1% just needs extra pressure.

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