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Old 01-16-2018, 9:20 PM
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Default Forget the State of Jefferson, I want the “New California”

Didn’t see this anywhere today, but it’s got Orange County and Contra Costa, so I’m onboard!

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Why you gotta leave Alameda in the sheet part?
Look at the voting records. Alameda is deep in the do-do.
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I could live in New Cali
Yup.

The only problem with this plan is I would still have to pay California income taxes, and without national reciprosity, would not be able to carry to work.

OTOH, no more $300+ car registration, $3.50/gallon gas, and stupid gun laws.
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Look at the voting records. Alameda is deep in the do-do.
Yeah yeah, forgot the /S

Doesn't mean I can't feel left out...
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Meh, State of Jefferson is still a better plan for me. Many of those so call rural counties are just extensions of Los Angeles. Plus the map and boundaries just do not make sense to me.
You will never get this past the State Legislature its going to require Federal Constitutional action via the Supreme Court
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Meh, State of Jefferson is still a better plan for me. Many of those so call rural counties are just extensions of Los Angeles. Plus the map and boundaries just do not make sense to me.
You will never get this past the State Legislature its going to require Federal Constitutional action via the Supreme Court
The problem with the traditional borders for the State of Jefferson is the lack of any major industrial income/production base.
You have water, lumber, and weed.

Adding the central valleys and southern inland counties adds a sizeable industrial base, the "breadbasket" of California as well as the Coachella Valley, several major military installations including MARB, MCAS Miramar, NAS Coronado, NAS El Centro, Camp Pendleton, 29 Stumps, China Lake, and to supplement your weed production, the high desert can produce a lot of meth.

The biggest challenge in any kind of separation that takes the Sierras and Owens Valley away from California is going to be renegotiating the water rights that LADWP currently owns.
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The problem with the traditional borders for the State of Jefferson is the lack of any major industrial income/production base.
You have water, lumber, and weed.

Adding the central valleys and southern inland counties adds a sizeable industrial base, the "breadbasket" of California as well as the Coachella Valley, several major military installations including MARB, MCAS Miramar, NAS Coronado, NAS El Centro, Camp Pendleton, 29 Stumps, China Lake, and to supplement your weed production, the high desert can produce a lot of meth.

The biggest challenge in any kind of separation that takes the Sierras and Owens Valley away from California is going to be renegotiating the water rights that LADWP currently owns.
You forgot Timber Agriculture and Mining. Where I am at we do not support Pot Farms either. We do have a substantial Tourism as its a very popular Vacationing destination with Hunting Fishing and general Outdoors activities.

As to the feasibility as far as income production I have been to some of the regional meetings and they feel its no different them many other Rural States like Idaho,Montana & others. We would not be a welfare state.
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First time CA has ever been redrawn where it put my house on the side that I actually want to be on. I don't see this, or any other plan to break up the state, becoming a reality....but if it does, I'd be all for it.
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I'll run for state Congress just to vote for this.

Also, it looks like USA today picked it up (this popped up on my feed- I didn't go looking for it)
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That map kind of resembles the Gaza strip in Israel. Will they be firing rockets into the free territories.
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Did they say where the new capitol would be?
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LA + Bay Area = extreme liberal = no guns
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Again,amusing to consider but never will happen.

US Constitution, Article 4, Section 3

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The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.
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This is nothing new we have been working on this ever since the socialist in calif wanted to split from the US.
http://www.wbdaily.com/culture-wars/...st-california/

Now that Calexit has folded we still plan to split from the democrat controlled socialist state of Kalifornia and there crooked election laws

New calif/east calif would control the water, a lot of the power generation and there is a lot of land to support industry and new jobs.

We could have our own gun laws. and cut many of the job killing calif laws.
This is nothing new we have been working on this ever since the socialist in calif wanted to split from the US.

Now that Calexit has folded we still plan to split from the democrat controlled socialist calif.
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to supplement your weed production, the high desert can produce a lot of meth.
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Again,amusing to consider but never will happen.

US Constitution, Article 4, Section 3
I generally agree it’s a long shot, but I’m not convinced that we couldn’t convince the “coasties” (you heard it here first) that it’s a good move.
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The biggest challenge in any kind of separation that takes the Sierras and Owens Valley away from California is going to be renegotiating the water rights that LADWP currently owns.
i have no problem with selling water to LADWP at a fair price to Inyo county as LADWP illegally took the water in the first place from the farmers of inyo county.

read the book the Water Seekers by remi nadeau.
https://www.amazon.com/Water-Seekers.../dp/1332877370

And the pipes they use waste by leakage about 1/4 of the water before it gets to the taps in LA

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I prefer this version of the map over my original post... it more accurately reflects the effort to keep the blue out of the East.




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Hold up! The second map shows Santa Clara county in New Cali... that ain’t gonna happen.
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Two lefty states. People may start to see that dem super majority is not working well. California is a ****hole.
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The map looks appealing. I feel a sense of satisfaction looking at it. Newsome, DeLeon, and other demon-crat libterd excrements can be on their own. What Army National Guard will protect them? Wonder if those that registered their AW will sign up? Bring their MOS/NEC/AFSC to the ranks.
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New California would result in two more Democrat senators.
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Costa, Nevada, Eldorado, Placer....need to be in the left leaning part.
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Why wouldn't Sacrament like this? No more pesky Republicans to get in the way.
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Meh, State of Jefferson is still a better plan for me. Many of those so call rural counties are just extensions of Los Angeles. Plus the map and boundaries just do not make sense to me.
You will never get this past the State Legislature its going to require Federal Constitutional action via the Supreme Court
Yep, it looks as if the borders are drawn to existing county lines. That won't fly with some counties. Just look at this infographic...

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Damn....Ventura County would get lumped in. Use to be more conservative around here.
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I prefer this version of the map over my original post... it more accurately reflects the effort to keep the blue out of the East.

I prefer this one. :-)
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The problem with the traditional borders for the State of Jefferson is the lack of any major industrial income/production base.
You have water, lumber, and weed.

Adding the central valleys and southern inland counties adds a sizeable industrial base, the "breadbasket" of California as well as the Coachella Valley, several major military installations including MARB, MCAS Miramar, NAS Coronado, NAS El Centro, Camp Pendleton, 29 Stumps, China Lake,
Ft. Irwin, Yermo Marine Depot
and to supplement your weed production, the high desert can produce a lot of meth.

The biggest challenge in any kind of separation that takes the Sierras and Owens Valley away from California is going to be renegotiating the water rights that LADWP currently owns.
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the one thing the Jefferson folks aren't seeing is that if the New California comes to fruition. The legislature may approve Jefferson unlike trying with the idiots we have now in Krapamento.
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Costa, Nevada, Eldorado, Placer....need to be in the left leaning part.
Seriously flawed map. Central valley is on the wrong side too. If it was even possible to split the State in two, that map leaves way too many liberal seeds that would grow the New State into an exact replica of what we have now.
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Well I’m in Sac County. And I agree with what Pardini, above, says. Have some of y’all seen the amount of Libs infesting the foothills? Places like Auburn are very weird. You have the more “redneck” types who have been there a while, then the “Bay Area transplants.” It’s a fairly balanced amount of pickups versus Priuses (and similar Lib-mobiles).

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No, because the eastern CA would be land locked. It needs a port.
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I went to their website and read everything that I could. Their proposed state constitution is the old 1879 California constitution with a few changes. Maybe I missed it but I did not see anything that included the right to keep and bear arms. I sent them an email about this several days ago and no response so far.
I think that there is a chance that this could go through. Puerto Rico wants to become a state which most likely would be democratic. New California would tend to be republican. So the two would balance out. A lot would depend on how much pressure the national democratic power brokers put on California. If the democratic elites think that New California has any chance to be democratic the possibility of gaining four new democratic senators that would change the balance of power in the senate for decades is too much of an opportunity to pass up. So there is a slim chance.
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No, because the eastern CA would be land locked. It needs a port.
Isn't the Port of Stockton included in that map?
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Isn't the Port of Stockton included in that map?
Without Long Beach, we need San Diego as well.
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I didn't really look down there to be honest, at a glance I didn't notice that little sliver they cut off.
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