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Planning on doing a handgun skill builder end of March
Iím curious what yíall think of something, I have 23s and 19s. I was thinking of shooting the 23 on day 1, then transition to the 19 on day 2. Iím wondering if using the 23 for a day will make the 19 seem/feel easier on day 2 for the timed test. Those turners screw me up for some reason.
Oh, and, would a 22 or 17 be better.
My son is coming also, I have doubles of everything, although he may chose to shoot the 92fs, hoping to get another of those by then.
I also have a zev trigger for the 17, that I havenít installed, wondering if I should run that (if I run a 17) or run it stock trigger
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Planning on doing a handgun skill builder end of March
Iím curious what yíall think of something, I have 23s and 19s. I was thinking of shooting the 23 on day 1, then transition to the 19 on day 2. Iím wondering if using the 23 for a day will make the 19 seem/feel easier on day 2 for the timed test. Those turners screw me up for some reason.
Oh, and, would a 22 or 17 be better.
My son is coming also, I have doubles of everything, although he may chose to shoot the 92fs, hoping to get another of those by then.
I also have a zev trigger for the 17, that I havenít installed, wondering if I should run that (if I run a 17) or run it stock trigger
Wondering what yíalls thoughts are

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IMO if your goal is to DG I would stick with one gun to train with and keep it to 9mm. There are some considerations within what you mentioned- if you want to move on to combat master, you get penalized more for misses when using 9mm.
For skill builder you only go out to 15 yards so glock 17 or 19 may not matter. I like my 19 more, but switched to 17 to help me on the 50 yard shots for CM.
Lastly on your trigger I would use whatever you like best. At CM level they keep things stock though.
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IMO if your goal is to DG I would stick with one gun to train with and keep it to 9mm. There are some considerations within what you mentioned- if you want to move on to combat master, you get penalized more for misses when using 9mm.
For skill builder you only go out to 15 yards so glock 17 or 19 may not matter. I like my 19 more, but switched to 17 to help me on the 50 yard shots for CM.
Lastly on your trigger I would use whatever you like best. At CM level they keep things stock though.


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Planning on doing a handgun skill builder end of March
Iím curious what yíall think of something, I have 23s and 19s. I was thinking of shooting the 23 on day 1, then transition to the 19 on day 2. Iím wondering if using the 23 for a day will make the 19 seem/feel easier on day 2 for the timed test. Those turners screw me up for some reason.
Oh, and, would a 22 or 17 be better.
My son is coming also, I have doubles of everything, although he may chose to shoot the 92fs, hoping to get another of those by then.
I also have a zev trigger for the 17, that I havenít installed, wondering if I should run that (if I run a 17) or run it stock trigger
Wondering what yíalls thoughts are

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Just shoot whichever gun you're comfortable with. I do the opposite of you. I start with a 19 to warm up the cold shooter and then shoot the 35. I prefer shooting .40 so that may not work for you.
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Iíve done the class a couple times with my 23, and done it with 19, I guess Iíd be comfortable with any of them. just wondering if handling with a 40 would make the handling of the 9 faster/better

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I personally don't think it would make much of a difference if you're comfortable with both. If you're able to shoot one, you'll be able to shoot the other. Shoot the .40 in the AM and switch to 9mm at lunch then decide for day 2.

I took HCMP for the first time last Nov. I thought I'd shoot the 19 better with the softer recoil so I went with that. I shot the first test with it, then switched to the 35 for the second test and shot my best score out of the six I took.

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I personally don't think it would make much of a difference if you're comfortable with both. If you're able to shoot one, you'll be able to shoot the other. Shoot the .40 in the AM and switch to 9mm at lunch then decide for day 2.
thats probably what i'll end up doing.
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I took HCMP for the first time last Nov. I thought I'd shoot the 19 better with the softer recoil so I went with that. I shot the first test with it, then switched to the 35 for the second test and shot my best score out of the six I took.
Nov 12th to 16th? That was my first HCMP too. I'm planning on a few 2-day HCMP trips this year. I wasn't keen on the first two days. For the way I learn, ramping up to the HCMP times from the Advanced times did absolutely nothing for me. I learned more simply shooting the test over and over.

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Yup, the Nov 13th-16th class. On the last day, were you on the range with Wyatt or Dan? I was on Dan's. I was the only Asian guy in the class so I wasn't hard to miss.
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Nov 12th to 16th? That was my first HCMP too. I'm planning on a few 2-day HCMP trips this year. I wasn't keen on the first two days. For the way I learn, ramping up to the HCMP times from the Advanced times did absolutely nothing for me. I learned more simply shooting the test over and over.


Yeah I know what you mean. I have another 4 day starting this week but switching to two days after this. I like the practice but I think they should start with the real times.
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Yeah I know what you mean. I have another 4 day starting this week but switching to two days after this. I like the practice but I think they should start with the real times.
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Nov 12th to 16th? That was my first HCMP too. I'm planning on a few 2-day HCMP trips this year. I wasn't keen on the first two days. For the way I learn, ramping up to the HCMP times from the Advanced times did absolutely nothing for me. I learned more simply shooting the test over and over.
For those who have DG'd the Advanced test, taking 2-Day HCMP is a great way to train.

The best training for HCM is 1) Dry Practice and 2) Taking the actual test over and over (and over) again.

The test is the training for the test!

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Yup, the Nov 13th-16th class. On the last day, were you on the range with Wyatt or Dan? I was on Dan's. I was the only Asian guy in the class so I wasn't hard to miss.
I was with Wyatt after they split the class across two ranges. I was on relay 1 about target number 3 or 4 with no coach for the first 2 days. For days 3 and 4 I was somewhere around 7 or 8.

You would think that 'the only Asian' would be a good description, but I guess I don't pay too much attention to race.
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For those who have DG'd the Advanced test, taking 2-Day HCMP is a great way to train.

The best training for HCM is 1) Dry Practice and 2) Taking the actual test over and over (and over) again.

The test is the training for the test!

DRM6000 - it was great shooting with you in November!
Ahh, you were there too!

I dry practice the test at least once a week using scaled targets. I try to shoot the test with a timer at least once a month.

After doing that for almost 6 months before taking the Advanced class, the Advanced Skills test felt pretty easy. I achieved DG on that test in Feb 2017 with a -6.

By the time I finally made it to HCMP in November I had pretty much doubled both my dry practice and live fire testing. My normal scores in practice were in the -70 to -90 range.

I think I shot -11 on the Advanced test at HCMP. Once we started shooting the test I was having all kinds of issues. A huge difficulty for me was that we rarely ever shot at full speed for the first two days, so I effectively slowed down too much. The other problem was that I hadn't been practicing for the targets to be turning appx .05 to .1 seconds earlier then the published test times. That's not too big a deal on thoracic shots, but that's HUGE for hostage and odd angle shots!

So, I ended up shooting the first few tests near 200 (216, 207, 190) After a good night's rest I shot back to back 114s. I decided to head home at lunch.

Now when I practice shoot the test, I set the par time at -0.1. I'm thinking that should put me sub 100 on official tests.
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Ahh, you were there too!

I dry practice the test at least once a week using scaled targets. I try to shoot the test with a timer at least once a month.

After doing that for almost 6 months before taking the Advanced class, the Advanced Skills test felt pretty easy. I achieved DG on that test in Feb 2017 with a -6.

By the time I finally made it to HCMP in November I had pretty much doubled both my dry practice and live fire testing. My normal scores in practice were in the -70 to -90 range.

I think I shot -11 on the Advanced test at HCMP. Once we started shooting the test I was having all kinds of issues. A huge difficulty for me was that we rarely ever shot at full speed for the first two days, so I effectively slowed down too much. The other problem was that I hadn't been practicing for the targets to be turning appx .05 to .1 seconds earlier then the published test times. That's not too big a deal on thoracic shots, but that's HUGE for hostage and odd angle shots!

So, I ended up shooting the first few tests near 200 (216, 207, 190) After a good night's rest I shot back to back 114s. I decided to head home at lunch.

Now when I practice shoot the test, I set the par time at -0.1. I'm thinking that should put me sub 100 on official tests.
Nice, when you are shooting in double-digits, things are getting serious.
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Do NOT think about "beating" the timer or the turner.

Perfect your technique with dry practice to the point that you know (in your heart and soul) that if you just execute your routine/technique perfectly, that it will be within the specified times for each shot.

The turning targets are calibrated so that when the second buzzer sounds (time is up) the target is at a 45 degree angle (half way closed). On a centrally-placed shot on standard gray targets, a hit will still be a hit - body or head. If your aim is off-center, the hole in the target tends to be "pushed" out laterally on either side. This is more of an issue on Hostages and Odd Angles, as your intended target area is off-center.

But...don't try to beat the turner. Perfect your technique!
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Nice, when you are shooting in double-digits, things are getting serious.
I think sub 100 is a great milestone, but there is still a long way to go to hit 40.

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Do NOT think about "beating" the timer or the turner.

Perfect your technique with dry practice to the point that you know (in your heart and soul) that if you just execute your routine/technique perfectly, that it will be within the specified times for each shot.

But...don't try to beat the turner. Perfect your technique!
I agree completely, its about tuning the technique. The timer simply shows the trend of whether you need to speed up or slow down. Basically, develop a rhythm which complies with the time limits of the test.

Maybe in a few years I'll manage to pass!
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I built an air powered turning target that runs on an arduino board after my first HCM course for dry practice. Itís been a great and hopefully will help my score on the second class this week.
Itís a real difference not being able to see your target before the time starts. Every microsecond of efficiency in body movement helps!
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For those who have DG'd the Advanced test, taking 2-Day HCMP is a great way to train.

The best training for HCM is 1) Dry Practice and 2) Taking the actual test over and over (and over) again.

The test is the training for the test!

DRM6000 - it was great shooting with you in November!
Likewise. Shooting next to you and another HCM was humbling.

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I was with Wyatt after they split the class across two ranges. I was on relay 1 about target number 3 or 4 with no coach for the first 2 days. For days 3 and 4 I was somewhere around 7 or 8.

You would think that 'the only Asian' would be a good description, but I guess I don't pay too much attention to race.
I was on the other end of the line in relay one for the first two days.
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I'm 90% sure I will be at master prep for Feb 21, 22. Anyone else?
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Only thing Iíve mastered is smashing the trigger and gripping the crap out of the pistol. Ha!
Going out Feb 19&20 for a tactical handgun. Just graduated the 4 ddhg. Looking to make some much needed improvements and changing bad habits.
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Speaking of HCMP
Looking at the 2018 calendar (thru June) and it seems all the classes start on a Monday. Is that typically the case or do they ever have a Friday start day?
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Looking at the 2018 calendar (thru June) and it seems all the classes start on a Monday. Is that typically the case or do they ever have a Friday start day?


They do have Friday starts (like this week), but yes I noticed the Monday starts are more common.
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Looking at the 2018 calendar (thru June) and it seems all the classes start on a Monday. Is that typically the case or do they ever have a Friday start day?
4 day nearly universally starts on a Monday, so 2 day usually starts on a Wednesday. All the stuff on the calendar this weekend is pretty much to get their 'normal' schedule back on track the following Monday.

I never had any idea it was possible to schedule HCMP tests via private training (That's how Shane earned his in November) I never took advantage of any of those deals or upgrades, now I'm kinda wishing I had.
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I think sub 100 is a great milestone, but there is still a long way to go to hit 40.
That's for sure. I've seen the struggles for some getting from 60 to 40. Still impressive.
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Sitting here trying to plan out all my trips for the year and how to maximize my vacation time.
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Going out Feb 19&20 for a tactical handgun. Just graduated the 4 ddhg. Looking to make some much needed improvements and changing bad habits.
Heading out in April for a 4 day practical rifle.
congrats on graduating the 4DDHG class.
the Tactical is new for this year (they redid the curriculum) but it looks like a fun class.
I'm actually talking with some friends right now about getting them out there for that Tac HG on Feb 19th.
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congrats on graduating the 4DDHG class.
the Tactical is new for this year (they redid the curriculum) but it looks like a fun class.
I'm actually talking with some friends right now about getting them out there for that Tac HG on Feb 19th.
Very cool. Let me know if you are going. Already booked my room. Taking my son also. The kids program is awesome. He loves it.
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I am heading there in April and would like to take my STI DVC 3 Gun. It comes stock with a fairly light trigger, and wonder if it will pass the equipment inspection? Anyone use one here before?
Under 4lbs wonít.

I had to have my Springer ďworked onĒ by their smith before they would approve it. It had a 2.5lb - which is now 4lb. Iím sure they just bent the sear spring a little.
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Under 4lbs wonít.

I had to have my Springer ďworked onĒ by their smith before they would approve it. It had a 2.5lb - which is now 4lb. Iím sure they just bent the sear spring a little.
That sucks. Would really like to use it, but don't want it messed with. Wonder how close they look at back up guns? Start with G34 and switch.
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They will did not ask about my back up or ask to look at it though I was a factory trigger. Plus they did not look at my ammo. But on the plus side they picked up an issue with my trigger and fixed it for me.
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That sucks. Would really like to use it, but don't want it messed with. Wonder how close they look at back up guns? Start with G34 and switch.


Educate me. What does a 2.5 lb trigger get you? What are the downsides. Thanks.
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Educate me. What does a 2.5 lb trigger get you? What are the downsides. Thanks.
I am certainly no expert, but I think the 2.5 lb trigger reduces that low left shot that is due to jerking the trigger. Not sure what the downside would be. This particular gun comes with a 2.5 trigger from the factory.

In a carry gun, having a super low trigger requirement is said by some to be an opening for a prosecutor to charge you with a bad shoot, or wanting to kill. No idea if that is true or not.
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Got my $500 Iggy bucks today.
Looks like the same offer we saw last week except of course the pricing changed a bit.

Private training membership went up $100
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I got more Iggy bucks too. I wonder what the catch is?
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Educate me. What does a 2.5 lb trigger get you? What are the downsides. Thanks.
Assuming you can work it right, time (splits).
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No catch. He did that years ago for Thanksgiving as well.
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