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Old 12-31-2017, 12:08 AM
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Nothing we can do about stuff like this EXCEPT demonstrate through out actions, behavior, and public commentary that people with CCWs are stable, safe, reasonable, good citizens with good judgement, who are good to have around if crap hits the fan. Beyond that, it's out of our hands and what the future will be like is unknown. I could see it go either way to be honest, seems more like we are at a cross roads with guns and CCW in the US. I think as gun owners we really need to make an effort not to be that stereotypical gun owner the way they are presented on shows like VICE etc that all anti gun people assume most of this community are like. All we can do is present as balanced, sane, good citizens with frankly a good understanding of both sides of the arguments for and against CCW so that you can actually plant a seed in the minds of others about considering your point of view. Sorry this is a bit of a rant, but I'm just saying, we are in California, land of the anti gun, you can't win the fight by flipping the bird at the state and liberals, you gotta present the mountain of evidence that does exist in a dignified way, that citizens being armed are safe, that it improves the safety of the community, and that people should support it.
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its becoming a problem with all the precautions many business and events are taking against CCW, off duty police, etc.
As a dating male that doesn't wish to disuses CCW and being asked by some 20 year old security guard you cant enter is bothering me, a lot!
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These discussions will become moot when national reciprocity passes and CA goes to no-issue, which would remove HR 38’s mandatory recognition of out-of-state licenses. Or, the legislature could just pass a law giving private “no guns” signs the force of law, another law banning firearms from any business open to the public that has a fire code occupancy of 20 or more (with no exemption for LTC), another that bans firearms from all parks, and from every gas station, warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse and doghouse (with no LTC exemption), et cetera...

Rest assured, they’re already making plans, and should it all come to pass, people residing in currently issuing counties will wish national reciprocity had never passed (though few will admit it on these pages).


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These discussions will become moot when national reciprocity passes and CA goes to no-issue, which would remove HR 38’s mandatory recognition of out-of-state licenses. Or, the legislature could just pass a law giving private “no guns” signs the force of law, another law banning firearms from any business open to the public that has a fire code occupancy of 20 or more (with no exemption for LTC), another that bans firearms from all parks, and from every gas station, warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse and doghouse (with no LTC exemption), et cetera...

Rest assured, they’re already making plans, and should it all come to pass, people residing in currently issuing counties will wish national reciprocity had never passed (though few will admit it on these pages).


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...CA goes to no-issue,...
I don't think they can. I seem to remember something about a decision that said the state had to allow some kind of carry which is how they were able to almost completely ban open carry; because concealed carry was possible.

Then again, the way I see HR 38, it still won't allow a person to carry in their state of residence unless they already have a license for that state.


All that aside, I'm one of those who is extremely concerned about national reciprocity. Any time something like this happens, it sounds good on the surface and then we learn how they've screwed us again.
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I don't think they can. I seem to remember something about a decision that said the state had to allow some kind of carry which is how they were able to almost completely ban open carry; because concealed carry was possible.






Could be. Maybe that was McDonald v. Chicago; I don’t know for sure. One way or the other, the easiest route for them would probably be them to chip away at the applicability of the license.


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I think the most likely route, since the Peruta loss, is they make the "just cause" more difficult to get past. They could take approval away from the local sheriff or police chief and give it to the state. That will screw everything up.
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I think the most likely route, since the Peruta loss, is they make the "just cause" more difficult to get past. They could take approval away from the local sheriff or police chief and give it to the state. That will screw everything up.
Wouldn't matter.
HR38 would force reciprosity for out of state residents as long as California has ANY procedure for issuing CCW, no matter how insanely impossible it is to obtain.

California's only "out" would be to completely rescind CCW issuance, which is appears that they can't do due to the banning of open carry.

So the next step is to expand "gun free zones" to make it effectively illegal to carry everywhere, just as it was effectively illegal to UOC nearly everywhere.
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Wouldn't matter.
HR38 would force reciprosity for out of state residents as long as California has ANY procedure for issuing CCW, no matter how insanely impossible it is to obtain.

California's only "out" would be to completely rescind CCW issuance, which is appears that they can't do due to the banning of open carry.

So the next step is to expand "gun free zones" to make it effectively illegal to carry everywhere, just as it was effectively illegal to UOC nearly everywhere.
I don't read it that way, but the courts will decide.

It won't pass anyway.

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What if they decide unloaded open carry wasn't so bad, and go back to that instead of concealed carry? That would theoretically satisfy the right to bear arms, while leaving California free to not recognize any state's permit. Except that it would really suck for us, since unloaded guns are worthless.

I'm afraid our "leadership" will find some way to make sure they screw us if this passes.
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Local ordinances along with ammunition control. Do it incrementally, and no one will complain.
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These discussions will become moot when national reciprocity passes and CA goes to no-issue, which would remove HR 38’s mandatory recognition of out-of-state licenses. Or, the legislature could just pass a law giving private “no guns” signs the force of law, another law banning firearms from any business open to the public that has a fire code occupancy of 20 or more (with no exemption for LTC), another that bans firearms from all parks, and from every gas station, warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse and doghouse (with no LTC exemption), et cetera...

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With the ammo ban, it'll be the same as unloaded open carry since we can't afford bullets anymore.
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Local ordinances along with ammunition control. Do it incrementally, and no one will complain.
I agree and I have always thought state and local gun control has been a bad idea.
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