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Old 11-09-2017, 10:09 PM
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Default New CA Ammo Law delayed until 07-01-19

Wasn't sure where to post this. As I understand it, the new ammo law that was suppose to go into effect in 2018 will be delayed until July 2019.

SB 1235

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...016-bof-02.pdf


So I guess we are still screwed because of Prop63 -

For California Residents,
Online Ordering of Ammo Stops Dec. 31!
How does California Proposition 63 affect you?
Ammunition Regulation

*In order to purchase ammunition, Californians must first pass both a background check and obtain a permit from the California Department of Justice, which lasts four years. Dealers must check the buyer’s permit before selling ammunition*

California enacted legislation in July 2016 that repealed this provision and instead mandated dealers to check with the Department of Justice to determine if the buyer is authorized to purchase.

This means CA residents can no longer purchase ammo online!

Individuals and businesses were already required to obtain a one-year license to purchase or sell ammunition. With Proposition 63, it is a misdemeanor to not follow this requirement. There is an exception for individuals and businesses that sell 500 rounds or less of ammunition in a 30-day period.

Large-Capacity Ammunition Magazine Ban

Citizens may no longer possess high-capacity ammunition magazines, which are specified as magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. These magazines must be surrendered by July 1, 2017, and violators still in possession could receive up to a $100 fine and one year in jail per offending magazine.

Note: This piece of legislation was temporarily halted by a federal judge before taking effect, but may still be appealed, and even has the potential to reach the Supreme Court for a final ruling.
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Old 11-09-2017, 10:11 PM
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I knew it. This violates interstate commerce law or whatever.
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Tagged, for more info.
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If real, that is awesome news!
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A whole year and a half delay, Jesus ****ing christ thank you Lord and Savior, you are fond of plot twist. This gives us time to fight it, this ammo restriction was a huge push for Liberals out of left field, really hard to set up, maybe will never be set up, hopefully dies in the womb.
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A whole year and a half delay, Jesus ****ing christ thank you Lord and Savior, you are fond of plot twist. This gives us time to fight it, this ammo restriction was a huge push for Liberals out of left field, really hard to set up, maybe will never be set up, hopefully dies in the womb.
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This bullitin was issued back in January.

All I see about the ammo laws is what was set to happen in 2019 under SB1235, I do not see a change, that is when this law was to become effective when it was passed.

I see nothing about delaying the ammo laws that start in 2018 under Prop 63.
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That memo correctly reports the background checks begin in 2019 (PC 30370); 'face to face' and 'use an ammunition vendor' begin 1 Jan, 2018 (PC 30312) -- presuming they can get 'clean' regulations in place.
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This bullitin was issued back in January.

All I see about the ammo laws is what was set to happen in 2019 under SB1235, I do not see a change, that is when this law was to become effective when it was passed.

I see nothing about delaying the ammo laws that start in 2018 under Prop 63.
Correct.
Prop63 nullified many parts of SB1235. DeLeon and Newsom were not happy with each other and 63 took a lot of the wind out of DeLeon's sails.

This memo simply addresses what parts of SB1235 will go into effect in 2019, Prop63 will still go into effect on schedule unless we can get the courts to block it in the next 45 days.
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So does this mean we will still be able to buy ammo face to face at local shops/stores after Jan. 1 intil they have the permit system in place???
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This bullitin was issued back in January.

All I see about the ammo laws is what was set to happen in 2019 under SB1235, I do not see a change, that is when this law was to become effective when it was passed.

I see nothing about delaying the ammo laws that start in 2018 under Prop 63.
Exactly..


Nothing has changed....we are still screwed(no online ammo) starting 01/01/18 and then further
screwed (bg check) on 01/01/19........

Nothing to get happy about here....

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So does this mean we will still be able to buy ammo face to face at local shops/stores after Jan. 1 intil they have the permit system in place???
No.
See above... NOTHING has changed.
Prop63 overruled/nullified most of SB1235, much of which did not go into effect until 2019.
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A just gov't will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just gov't. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.
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Arg, I had a little happy moment there for like 30 seconds until I was dragged back to our grim reality...
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Whew, I was about to get upset over having spent so much in the past year stocking up on enough ammo to last me the next 10 years
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does this law also include no buying bullets and brass via the internet or mail order.
cabelas sent me a flyer today stating no reloading bullets or brass under this law .
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does this law also include no buying bullets and brass via the internet or mail order.
cabelas sent me a flyer today stating no reloading bullets or brass under this law .
thanks kevin
Marketing scam, unless you are a prohibited person.
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just read about my question in the
How ca laws apply to/affect me but still not clear if it includes bullets, brass ,magazines
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I dont think I would call it a scam, more like confusion. There are two different definitions used in the bill and prop 63, one includes only complete cartridges while the other includes all the individual parts. The one including all the individual parts only applies to knowingly selling to prohibited persons, but I can imagine out of an abundance of caution Cabelas may be intending to stop all those sales to CA at least until they know for sure what the enforcement is going to be.
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It isn't like we haven't had time to get ready for it, but still . . . . why does California have to have the best weather and the worst politicians? Remember this come election time again, folks. We have to get these people out of office. Still got a month to stock up; better get to ordering.
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Gawd, these Ca laws make me sick. Bunch of s--t.
And stores, for the most part, still do not know what to do after 1/1/2018! Ahh!
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why does California have to have the best weather and the worst politicians?
The two go hand in hand.
Good weather attracts people who don't have what it takes to survive in a harsher climate like Montana.
Homeless thrive along the coast because it doesn't get hot or cold enough to kill you from exposure... you can survive with a blanket.

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Correct.
Prop63 nullified many parts of SB1235. DeLeon and Newsom were not happy with each other and 63 took a lot of the wind out of DeLeon's sails.

This memo simply addresses what parts of SB1235 will go into effect in 2019, Prop63 will still go into effect on schedule unless we can get the courts to block it in the next 45 days.
Wouldn’t there need to be an actual lawsuit over the implementation of this law to have the courts block it? I’m not aware of any lawsuit or challenge to ammunition purchasing under proposition 63?

Not that it matters, no court on the west coast is going to give a **** about this back door ban on online ammo purchases, city’s throughout California have banned online ammo purchases for years without even a whimper from gun owners. But hey, 63 is just a common sense gun law.

The 2nd amendment as we thought we knew it only existed in our imaginations until Heller and McDonald, since then the liberal district courts have neutered those rulings... today the 2nd is dying on the vine.

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Wouldn’t there need to be an actual lawsuit or uproar over the implementation of this law to have the courts block it? I’m not aware of any lawsuit or challenge to ammunition purchasing under proposition 63. No court is going to give a **** about this back door ban on online Ammo purchases, city’s throughout California have banned online Ammo purchases without even whimper from gun owners.
The NRA has a lawsuit theyre waiting to file when it starts. I guess they dont think they can get a prelim injunction, so theyre waiting until it goes into effect. You cant sue yet except to get a PI since there isnt an infringement until 1/1/18. IMO its pretty unlikely they would get a PI even with a friendly judge, so theyre doing the right thing by waiting.
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The NRA has a lawsuit theyre waiting to file when it starts. I guess they dont think they can get a prelim injunction, so theyre waiting until it goes into effect. You cant sue yet except to get a PI since there isnt an infringement until 1/1/18. IMO its pretty unlikely they would get a PI even with a friendly judge, so theyre doing the right thing by waiting.
Thanks for the information. Makes since. Just need to buy enough ammo online to last 5 years... sadly.
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Thanks for the information. Makes since. Just need to buy enough ammo online to last 5 years... sadly.
Need to buy enough ammo to last a lifetime or until you leave CA.
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The two go hand in hand.
Good weather attracts people who don't have what it takes to survive in a harsher climate like Montana.
Homeless thrive along the coast because it doesn't get hot or cold enough to kill you from exposure... you can survive with a blanket.

These people vote for those who will give them free stuff.
That, to varying degrees, sums it up. Bottom line to what, I’ve heard, has happened in the last 40 years to what was once a great state.

And, yes Virginia, even brown people have said it.
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The two go hand in hand.
Good weather attracts people who don't have what it takes to survive in a harsher climate like Montana.
Homeless thrive along the coast because it doesn't get hot or cold enough to kill you from exposure... you can survive with a blanket.

These people vote for those who will give them free stuff.
Damnit! Why do you have to be so right!
Geez, I love CA and am married to my retirement for another ten years till I hit 50. But I'll be damned if I stay a day after 50 and I can retire...
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Need to buy enough ammo to last a lifetime or until you leave CA.
Their will be enough ammo, in back alley dealings and just another black market popped up, welcome to Mexico 2.0
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Can't someone correct the thread TITLE to make it less confusing for members?

Sheit, trying to read through all these legalese threads....with all the double-entendres and double-negatives.....this crap is confusing enough.

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The two go hand in hand.
Good weather attracts people who don't have what it takes to survive in a harsher climate like Montana.
Homeless thrive along the coast because it doesn't get hot or cold enough to kill you from exposure... you can survive with a blanket.

These people vote for those who will give them free stuff.
What kind of people don't have what it takes to survive in the cold? That's a rather odd statement especially considering all humans have the same basic needs. If you are referring to the homeless I doubt they carry much political sway based on their votes...
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I have enough ammo to last until our move to AZ in 8 months

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So Rip Van Winkle woke up and just educated himself on the new California Ammo Laws and broadcasted it to everyone as if it's new.

I'm going back to bed.
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Boy is this bullshiz going to create a black market like never before!!!!
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Boy is this bullshiz going to create a black market like never before!!!!
Wasn't the 18th amendment? The mafia made huge bucks until the repeal..

I may set up my location right next to the Meth dealer!
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Wasn't the 18th amendment? The mafia made huge bucks until the repeal..

I may set up my location right next to the Meth dealer!
Hahahahahaha! Seriously though! And yes it’s how Al Capone came about!
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So, for us lazy people who don’t read into the code speak for this political stuff,
Still no online sales after 1/1/18?
Ftf ammo is ok till 2019?
Is they the gist of it, because that’s how it sounds
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Most of California's gun owners vote anti gun at elections. What can we do?
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Break away from liberal, Bay Area, and LA area! Hahaha
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Pretty sure CA govt won't GAS if there is no legal means to purchase ammo come Jan 1
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