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Old 11-09-2017, 9:18 PM
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Background checks at the National level, all transactions. Why? Why not? Posing the question, how do you feel and why you feel that way. A2
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I’m fine with it, but only in return for repealing the NFA, national reciprocity, and a few other things.
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I’m fine with it, but only in return for repealing the NFA, national reciprocity, and a few other things.
And they need to be available for free for private transactions/ trades ect. ........and the same processes and procedures should apply to all car rentals/purchases. What's good for the goose is good for the gander
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Default Why not, Nation wide background checks.

The problem I have with them is that they become a de facto gun registry. However, much as I despise it, they would probably pass constitutional muster under interstate commerce. Yes, the commerce clause has been abused like a gubmint mule and allows for untold gross violations of republican government. However, in this day and age, where the constitution is but mere words in paper, I do think the federales could and should pass something along the lines of background checks overriding other restrictions.

Though kalifornistan might argue they are only dealing with intrastate commerce, they are regulating away a right. Driving a car is absolutely NOT a right. So smog devices are entirely a separate issue as are driver licenses. Because if for nothing else a) those aren’t rights and b) cars operate on public roads.

Some sort of federal preemption that prohibits more stringent gun laws like states have on localities is not only fair but fails in line with the federal government protecting rights of citizens AND the 14th amendment incorporation clause. Not only does this state tyrannically and egregiously violate the 2A but also the 14A.
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Even using an attitude that is favorable to BG/Registration, it requires every PPT to go through an FFL.
That is not going to be free.
It is not going to be convenient for people who live in rural areas.

Not everyone lives within an hour of an FFL.
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Background checks at the National level, all transactions. Why? Why not? Posing the question, how do you feel and why you feel that way. A2
First, What Problem are you trying to solve ?

If we give them this, it will accomplish just about nothing in reducing
Crime, the usual end resort in Gun Control measures
. It becomes just
another infringement on Gun Owners and now the Antis are free to
Focus on their Next Gun Control Wish of their Disarming America Agenda.

The Anti Gunners have a proven track record of Never Being Satisfied.

Here are some of the various reasons why it is not a good idea:

Bad News For “Universal” Background Check Supporters
NRA-ILA. Cam Edwards | Thursday, October 19, 2017
https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017...eck-supporters
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The problem for Wintemute is that these laws are nearly impossible to
enforce, and law enforcement officers know it. That’s why so many have
been opposed to these feel-good but ineffective background check laws for
quite a while. Virtually every county sheriff in New Mexico opposed the
Bloomberg-backed gun control bill when it was introduced in the state’s
legislature earlier this year. Sheriffs spoke out about the need to be able to
hold repeat offenders on higher bond, the number of plea bargains, and other
issues surrounding the criminal justice system and violent offenders.

That’s where they think the focus should be, but gun control advocates have
a different priority. They think cops across the country should be spending
precious time and resources trying to find illegal gun transfers instead of
the individuals who are actually committing violent crimes.

THIS is What’s Wrong with Universal Background Checks
The Truth About Guns. May 15, 2017
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...ground-checks/
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There are three major concerns regarding UBCs. First and foremost is,
of course, the fact that the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your
choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil
and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor
to arguments grounded in social utility.

The freedom to own must necessarily include the right to purchase. There is
no other fundamental right in the Constitution which any court in the
country would allow to be subjected to background checks. Think about it:

Why universal background checks won't work
The Hill. BY C. D. MICHEL, ADJUNCT PROFESSOR, CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY
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no effect, the numbers don’t prove the case, and the only way to make the
scheme remotely effective is repugnant to the people. Those are three big
hills to climb. That’s why few politicians seem ready to take the hike.

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Why do we need background checks in the first place?
If the estimates of 300+ million guns in the US is remotely correct- and I'm guessing that's low- it's easy to obtain a gun, even illegally. Background checks simply don't prevent people from buying guns if they want them.
If that's not enough, the simple transfer of private property between consenting adults is called freedom. Yes, it does have an element of danger, but freedom is inherently dangerous because one's actions are beyond the control of another, and that person may choose dangerous actions. As evidenced by California laws, gun laws only fail to deliver what they promise. I'd rather live with dangerous freedom than the illusion of safety under an oppressive government.
Lastly, why is our side the one that always has to compromise? If we give them background checks, what do we get? I don't foresee the NFA being repealed, or Constitutional carry being implemented or anything like that. In terms of gun laws, compromise really means our side's loss and their side's gain.
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I'm fine with it.

National background checks even for PPT is perfectly fine with me. It will reduce the amount of potential sellers to criminals for sure.

National registry for firearms, should be accompanied by reciprocol conceal carry. If the push for guns to be like cars means CCW becomes like drivers licenses, I'm all for it. Otherwise, states without a registry seem to have low murder rates, so why bother.

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Background checks at the National level, all transactions. Why? Why not? Posing the question, how do you feel and why you feel that way. A2
......because they enforce that anti-gun Gun Control Act of 1968.

that's why not...


background checks NOT enumerated in the 2nd A
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I’m fine with it, but only in return for repealing the NFA, national reciprocity, and a few other things.

repealing that HORRIBLE Gun Control Act of 1968

and disbanding forever that DEMONIC ATF!
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And they need to be available for free for private transactions/ trades ect. ........and the same processes and procedures should apply to all car rentals/purchases. What's good for the goose is good for the gander
And voting, supposing that illegals and the dead can't pass background checks.
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I also think they should combine all the systems out there for one universal background check system.

I work for the DOD and have a clearance I can't even talk about in regular discussion. So why do I have to go through checks to buy a gun? It should take them 30 seconds on a computer connected to the Feds and see that I am checked, rechecked and checked again. DOD clearances even go as far as them interviewing your neighbors and family.
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Face to face PPT common in many states is a GOOD thing. Even California had that in the not too distant past. I worry that younger gun owners are going to compromise all our rights away.
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While we're at it, how about a background check to be able to consult an attorney? Maybe another one for the right to a free trial. Free speech? Sure thing, after your 10 day wait. Right to invoke the 5th amendment? Here, just take this test and pay $25. If you pass, you can remain silent. If not, we keep your money and can torture you for self incriminating information.


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I’m fine with it, but only in return for repealing the NFA, national reciprocity, and a few other things.
I agree - I've proposed this compromise to several of my liberal friends.
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As others have said, cost, time, difficulty. It also makes it impossible to acquire a firearm without Government permission.

I believe the only reason the Brady Bill passed originally is because they promised only FFL's would be affected... and here we are, with them pleading to close this LOOPHOLE in background checks. If this passed, the next LOOPHOLE would be a further wait, or a training requirement that is recorded in NICS.

I mean, here we are today, where people are openly and unapologetically stating they want to pass laws that make it harder to exercise a right. Not for any good reason, but just for the sake of making it more expensive / difficult.

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Simply stated

Because background checks do not, can not and will not prevent a bad guy from getting guns.

All they can do is encumber honest people and generate income for the government.
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Background checks at the National level, all transactions. Why? Why not? Posing the question, how do you feel and why you feel that way. A2
No, because that makes firearm ownership more expensive. It will not increase safety. It will open the door for a back-door ban on firearm ownership by conservatives.

Every background check law I've seen required all transfers to go through dealers who don't want the competition from used guns. Some FFLs charge over $100 for that. In states like California which limit fees for the service, some FFLs skirt the law by serving all other customers first, while others break it.

Criminals who want guns are going to get them anyways, and we're better off when that's leakage through legitimate sales channels than when they turn to underground manufacturers for whom open bolt sub machine guns are the simplest repeating arms to make. While we could theoretically prosecute those that try retail purchases first, in practice we don't - out of 80,000 NICS rejections in 2012 we only prosecuted 44.

Legislators are pushing to deprive people of their right to keep and bear arms without due process where the victims are entitled to contest the charges in court with legal assistance. Currently they're using "terrorism as the excuse, where those on on "terrorist watch lists" would be turned away, although even US senators have ended up on those lists. When that passes we'll see the definition of "terrorist" expand, probably to include people frequenting internet forums where others have expressed support for the founding fathers' opinions on armed resistance to tyranical governments.

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More bureaucracy and tax... Like the last failure for what? So gov fails to use systems and laws already in place to let child and wife abusers kill multitudes at church gatherings....
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Sorry fellas, but how about YOU keeping YOUR California structure where it is.............

Firearms registration is illegal.....a felony, in fact..........in my State.....I want it kept just that way.

Hopefully, the 'group-think' that sadly exists in California stays there!
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Because background checks do not, can not and will not prevent a bad guy from getting guns.

All they can do is encumber honest people and generate income for the government.

Background checks can and DO prevent the well-intentioned from getting guns even those who are not convicted of violent crimes or felonies.

Many people are wrongfully denied under NICS.

Do I need a background check to write my Congressman or publish a book?

Background checks have done nothing to thwart violent crime. Most high-profile killers in the national news have passed NICS background checks at FFL gun shops anyway.
They did NOT get their guns at private sales or gun shows.
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While we're at it, how about a background check to be able to consult an attorney? Maybe another one for the right to a free trial. Free speech? Sure thing, after your 10 day wait. Right to invoke the 5th amendment? Here, just take this test and pay $25. If you pass, you can remain silent. If not, we keep your money and can torture you for self incriminating information.


Its called the Bill of Rights for a reason.
That's kind of the point, Liberals don't realize what infringement is until they experience it themselves.
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It's all been said before:

1) Won't solve the problem of mal-intentioned from acquiring a firearm.
2) Not effective (government maintained data base, enough said)
3) Would require national registration, which is not only against the law but with between 300 and 400 million unregistered firearms in circulation, good luck.

California is ahead of the curve with registration. Since I just got into guns in the last five years, I have a few rifles (and a couple 80% AR Pistols) that are not registered. This alone keeps me from just transferring to Joe Blow without an FFL.
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Background checks at the National level, all transactions.
What problem are you solving and how does this proposal solve it?
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If we are going to talk about background checks, let's make sure that there is NO REGISTRATION attached. If one passes a background check, it's irrelevant what firearm is being transferred.

So, let's change the question above to: National background checks WITHOUT registration, why or why not? Let's ask that question on some left leaning site as well, so we know where we stand.
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Lets have an Expert Explain things:


Background checks do not diminish crime rates,
but can increase them

The Hill. Opinion. 10/5/2017
John Lott, Jr. is the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center
and author of “The War on Guns” (Regnery, 2016).

http://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-...-increase-them
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Research looking at U.S. data has consistently found NO EVIDENCE that
ANY TYPE OF BACKGROUND CHECKS REDUCE RATES OF VIOLENT CRIME.

Michael Bloomberg’s groups are the source of contrary claims, but they fail
to analyze the national data in an academic manner. They compare states
with background checks next to those without them. They do not
compare states before and after background checks are imposed
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The Democrats have successfully disarmed low income Americans,
arguably the people who need to defend themselves the most, (think
Chicago) by things like their "War" on low cost guns (so called "Saturday
Night Specials") and their constant push to add layer after layer of
expensive regulations to reduce gun ownership.

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Compact handguns, popular throughout American history, are useful for
self-defense.
Quit accepting Anti Gun Politicians & their Sycophant Media Lies.

History shows Every Time you give them Another Layer of Gun Control,
which Never reduces the crime like they claim it will, they will only
Demand More Gun Control when the Next Tragedy occurs.

Eliminating unprotected "Gun Free Zones" would accomplish more than
adding Universal Background Checks, if your really interested in protecting
people from evil intent.


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Background checks at the National level, all transactions. Why? Why not? Posing the question, how do you feel and why you feel that way. A2
A noted SF radical once said that "You're either part of the problem, or part of the solution".

Thanks for letting us all know on the first post.


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I've seen the guns and cars theories...I'll simply explain that the 2nd Amendment agrees with a right YOU WERE BORN WITH.

Driving is a privilege, if you want to drive on a public right of way. PM me if you need more detail.


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I also think they should combine all the systems out there for one universal background check system.

I work for the DOD and have a clearance I can't even talk about in regular discussion. So why do I have to go through checks to buy a gun? It should take them 30 seconds on a computer connected to the Feds and see that I am checked, rechecked and checked again. DOD clearances even go as far as them interviewing your neighbors and family.
Same here, though the time to get my first C&R license and TX and ID CCWL's were pdq.

Not sure in my case through DIA, AEC, and Secret Service if any info was shared between them. FBI did talk to a few neighbors and siblings.

Disagree about my compartmented stuff as a basis on which to buy anything, including a weapon. My Idaho CWL takes care of that but it's mainly ptp here without a licensee involved.
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Enumerated right. End of story. Feds can suck it. States, too, per McDonald.

"Easier than getting a library book" sounds good to me.
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All I did was pose a question. It makes me an automatic liberal? Cause I want to hear your thoughts? A2
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I got a better idea. How about the politicians give something up for a change.

How about full-on background checks for all politicians.

No police contact, outstanding taxes, bounced checks, bad credit, drunk driving, domestic abuse, sexual misconduct etc. or they are ineligible to continue serving.

All fingerprints and DNA on file. Thorough mental health evaluations and no lifetime pension after just one term.

Any who refuse to obey the laws of the land (sanctuary cities etc.) are out of a job.

Any who deny civil rights (including the 2A) or work to pass laws circumventing the constitution are fired and/or prosecuted.

Most of these requests are just "common sense solutions" to what should already be standard operating procedure.

To answer your question, No.
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All I did was pose a question. It makes me an automatic liberal? Cause I want to hear your thoughts? A2
It doesn't make you an "automatic liberal" but what it DOES do is fuel the thinking of those who don't know better that we will throw away our Rights just because they want us to.

For heaven's sake, Faith Hill and Tim McGraw just made an announcement that they support gun control on the basis that "military firearms shouldn't be in the hands of civilians". GIVE ME A G** DAM BREAK! Don't these lackwits KNOW what "militia" means? Or who is a member of same?

The answer is; no they don't. Because they can't THINK for themselves and can only do what they're told. And what they're told is that we will negotiate our Rights away if they only apply enough pressure. After all, we have a 100 year history of doing just that. More the fool us but that doesn't give you a free pass to continue to let the Anti-gun portion of society think they can get away with taking another pound of MY flesh.

"Shall Not Be Infringed" needs to become our mantra. Period.
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Wait, op has marine in its moniker. Could it be a russian troll? Surely any type of marine would not lean toward this. The question asked in response to a nonexistent problem. Think again about:
"I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God"
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The way I see it there is nothing to be gained by background checks because criminals will still be able to get guns anyway. Also background checks is basically registration which could lead to confiscation.
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UBC requires universal registration of ALL guns privately held, every last one of them. There is otherwise no way to know who bought that Colt 1917 before UBC or after, in violation of the law.

Laws which restrict a right must be drawn and applied narrowly and provide a public safety benefit. Can anyone show such an effect, on balance, with UBC and universal registration?
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Disban batf, all anti 2A laws are null and void nationwide. No serial numbers and no barrel signature databases anymore. All previously nfa items are treated like regular .22lr bolt rifle purchase. Apply background checks for every elections, vehicle and pot purchase. Then we will see.
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UBC requires universal registration of ALL guns privately held, every last one of them. There is otherwise no way to know who bought that Colt 1917 before UBC or after, in violation of the law.

Laws which restrict a right must be drawn and applied narrowly and provide a public safety benefit. Can anyone show such an effect, on balance, with UBC and universal registration?
Emphasis mine.

This is the Dirty Little Secret about Universal Background Checks,
and why the Anti Gun Zealots so fervently push for it. Whenever it is
proposed without Universal Gun Registration, suddenly the Anti Gun Crowd
is No Longer Interested in the proposal.

There is No Logical Reason for Gun Registration other than the ability
for future Gun Confiscation.

Don't believe me ? Think that Universal Gun Registration will help law
enforcement solve thousands of criminal cases each year ?

New York had Gun Registration with its 1911 Sullivan Act, which was
a de facto mandatory handgun registration. So Over a Hundred Years
of Gun Registration in NY.

Name a few NY criminal cases Solved by Gun Registration last year.

Can't find Any ? OK, how about a few from the previous Decade ? Still No ?
How About ANY in the entire 100+ years of its existence ?
Still can't find any ?

How about Hawaii, they have Gun Registration...any cases solved ?
How about California ? Still No ? You get the point.
Gun Registration doesn't have any effect on Diminishing Crime Rates.

You would think the Antis would be Bragging about all the criminal cases
solved by Gun Registration. But they don't, because even if they can
show a few abnormal cases, they are statistically insignificant and
ineffective especially in light of how much the program costs.

Canadians dropped their Gun Registry after spending BILLIONS of
Dollars with No Discernible effect on Crime.


In a related manner, Maryland wasted Millions of dollars over the course
of 15 years on their "Ballistic Fingerprint Program" so they could ID
handguns used in crime and trace it back to the owner via registration.

The program was a Complete Failure and waste of Time, Money & Effort.
It never solved a single case, just confirmed about a dozen cases in
which the police had already confirmed the identity without the database:

Maryland guts gun-control ‘ballistic fingerprints’ program
after zero hits in 15 years

By Andrew Blake - The Washington Times - Monday, November 9, 2015
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ingerprints-p/

Additional Information:

Gun Registration | Gun Licensing
NRA-ILA. August 8, 2016
https://www.nraila.org/issues/registration-licensing/

None of us want to see Bad Guys with Guns, and hope that there is a
solution out there that might be more effective at that goal without
trampling on the Constitution.


But Universal Background Checks with Gun Registration is Not a Solution,
and will only add Another Layer of Gun Control to appease the Gun Control
Zealots and the Useful, Willfully Ignorant Idiots that demand it, like
the current list of Clueless Celebrities.


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I worry that younger gun owners are going to compromise all our rights away.
That remains to be seen as younger gun owners aren't in charge yet. I would suggest that there is a loud minority and the younger generations if they have the fortitude, will hold the line on guns more successfully. But the previous generations have done a fantastic job compromising away already. California for instance hasn't got a lot more to take away. But the fact remains, if not for the 2nd Amendment the state of CA would have passed a complete ban on guns easily. Even the most conservative states got walloped by the NFA thanks to Reagan.
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