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I have a couple of each and they are both great makers but I think I prefer Randalls. They feel better in my hand and they aren't as overbuilt as Busse's.
Now I grant that the overbuilding is the hallmark of Busse knives and they make an incredibly strong tank of a knife, but I guess I just prefer the artistry of the Randall over the robustness of the Busse.

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I like busse 's style more so but can defiantly appreciate Randalls work.
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I have a couple of each and they are both great makers but I think I prefer Randalls. They feel better in my hand and they aren't as overbuilt as Busse's.
Now I grant that the overbuilding is the hallmark of Busse knives and they make an incredibly strong tank of a knife, but I guess I just prefer the artistry of the Randall over the robustness of the Busse.

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I'm sure you can get whatever you like out of the Busse Custom Shop. They do release knives with thinner stock, but I know what you mean. I'd never say a Regulator at .30"+ thick is svelte. Custom Shop Stuff is also more often highly polished and fancy. The coated blades are really the value series whether INFI or SR-101.

Quality of steel and heat treat I think is no contest.
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Randall knife patterns were designed in an era when the typical knife was 1/8" thick. Randall's were 3/16", heavy for the time. Also, back then, people carried their knives, they walked or marched, and they did not use knives to chop down trees. They used axes.

The modern tread of super thick knives seems to have taken off in the late 80's, most certainly with the advent of the internet. "Experts" are always telling us of the 2" X 4" they chop apart with their big beefy knives, sometimes trees. Why they are not using axes to chop their trees down or Froes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Froe to create shakes is beyond me. You burn a lot of energy chopping a tree down with a knife, that is why loggers used axes, and finally chain saws. Also, no one walks anywhere anymore, you notice that?

As a teenager, I had a Western Bowie, a huge knife. I showed it to my WW2 veteran Boss, who held the thing and exclaimed "imagine carrying that!". Now I understand: being force marched in hot, wet weather, just the marching by itself would be exhausting, never mind the 60-100 pounds of gear plus the weight of a big bowie knife.

I have also understood since then, while the weapon aspect of big huge knives is there, someone armed with an AK47 is going to blow you away well before you get within knife range.

Randalls are still a bit thick for the important work of vegetables and meat slicing. That is turns out, is what I most use knives for, food preparation. The 1/4" wide knives are less accommodating. Try slicing an apple with your big knife, or a tomato.
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Collect and use what you want. You don't have to limit yourself to one maker or style. As far as Busse, they have Scrap Yard and Swamp Rat designs too. Maybe they are famous for the Battle Mistress type blades but they have plenty of small knives, even light ones They all slice apples, but if you are using something over 5" (length it is awkward just like a Chef's knife instead of a pairing knife).

















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Busse knives are almost like blanks... the steel is amazing but you will have to reprofile the edge for most common uses. Randalls are more heirloom in my opinion. Prices are crazy since wait time is 5 years or so
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Digging that Swamp Rat #97 ~ What model is that?
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Taliwhacker LE.
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As far as military use, there are plenty of Busse knives in use. Plenty of sterile versions with no markings and military overrun's of various models from small to combat sized, to axes.

Those "Taliwhackers" are short for “Taliban-Whacker”. The first military overrun of these was in 2003. It was made as part of a run of knives donated to USSOCOM after 9/11 for distribution to our Special Ops Teams. The first overrun left 68 knives for sale.

I have a few Mil overrun Regulators and a few sterile blades including larger ones - a Dog Father, IIRC.

I never knew about Randall stuff or maybe I would have a few. They look cool. I definitely have many other knives that look exactly like Randall's (polished blade stacked leather handled, etc...) Maybe they are Randall knock-offs.

As far as Randall making knives on thinner stock... I don't think so. it appears that they make their knives on 3/16" and 1/4" stock like just about everyone else.
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Randalls are more heirloom in my opinion. Prices are crazy since wait time is 5 years or so
Yeah, wait time sounds insane. I'd buy secondary market. BUSSE takes a year+ sometimes.

As far as price, BUSSE is much more expensive for heirloom custom stuff and polished blades with fancy materials. Steel is way superior. They have many different grinds.
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Taliwhacker LE.
Thanks, now I gotta try to track one down ~

Beautiful blade!!!
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Randall hands down...


But Im still a fan of my Winklers....
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I have two Randalls, a model 14 and a combat companion. I also have a swamp rat knife ( busse kin). I wouldn't compare the two companies. I bought the ratmandu to beat the piss out of it and I bought the randalls to use, but not to hack through firewood etc. The randalls and the swamp rat have all had their edges changed a bit on my tormek t4 sharpener. After lusting over randalls and reading knife forums about them It seemed to me too many people bought them and never used them.
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I never knew about Randall stuff or maybe I would have a few. They look cool. I definitely have many other knives that look exactly like Randall's (polished blade stacked leather handled, etc...) Maybe they are Randall knock-offs.


Never knew about Randalls?
Got my first Randall 30 yrs ago. A model 8 Bird&Trout. Used it lots of times over the years. Probably had and sold a dozen over the years. Never bought directly from Ramdall. Always on the net or a Randall dealer. No 5 year wait. Just have to know where to look.
Randalls have their logo stamped into the blade. No wondering if they a knock offs. They also come in a all kinds of handle material,not just leather stacked washer handles. Just some FYI.��

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Got my first Randall 30 yrs ago. A model 8 Bird&Trout. Used it lots of times over the years. Probably had and sold a dozen over the years.
Yeah, I am sure I've heard the name around, but I am fairly new to collecting fixed blades or at least what many would consider high priced fixed blades beyond common brands like Kabar, or cheap imports like CRKT, etc... Randall probably flew way above my price range for what I thought I'd ever spend on any knife. There was a time when I wouldn't consider spending the money on something like an Ontario.
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Yeah, I am sure I've heard the name around, but I am fairly new to collecting fixed blades or at least what many would consider high priced fixed blades beyond common brands like Kabar, or cheap imports like CRKT, etc... Randall probably flew way above my price range for what I thought I'd ever spend on any knife. There was a time when I wouldn't consider spending the money on something like an Ontario.
Well said.
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Well said.
I don't buy super fancy $600+ Busse's either BUT I still think they have the best steel and heat treats with few competitors

I like utilitarian knives for the most part like SYKCO.
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I'm not a fan of the Damascus models, but man all those hamons are awesome.
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Kinda late again but -
Come on Guys - Most people buy a knife for a specific task.
Your not going to use a fighting profile to chop wood or use a wood chopper ideality in an altercation if it should ever occur - too heavy / slow.
Kinda like comparing apples and oranges.
I have a older Busse Battle Mistress 1095 I purchased for a camp knife. Yes I have used it to help clean meat or fish but its not designed for that kind of task - too big - Better options available. YAH IT WOULD LOP OFF AN ARM but not my preferred tool for that type of encounter.
Now i carry a modified Hatchet and a 4.5" or 5" hybrid blade for smaller tasks. Still both together a lot of weight to carry for my aging bones.
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I still keep an eye out, but that Taliwhacker is hard to find ~ LOL
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I'm a fan of over-built knives but 3/16" steel is about my max when it comes to practicality. As others have said, a knife shouldn't be your go-to chopping solution. I like having a knife that can chop if needed, but I don't buy knifes specifically or solely with chopping in mind.
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I still keep an eye out, but that Taliwhacker is hard to find ~ LOL
True... I have two LE's and a CG which is powder coated. One of my LE's came all the way from Australia via Blade Fourms sale. If you really want one you'll probably find one eventually. If I sell an LE I'll PM you. My other one is in zombie green powder coat with the same res-c black handle.
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It is hard to beat a Randal for purpose built and Beauty.
The #1 feels like an extension of your arm. I do like the #14 but I prefer a brass guard / Hilt and handle without finger grooves even when wet.

The best fighting type knife, I have ever been able to handle, was Patton Merlin. It was the best balanced for me. I unfortunately don't own one. I just don't have a use for that type of tool any more. The Patton Kasper 8" is just as good if you want a longer blade and the handle is contoured extremely well. ATS-34 heat treated properly holds an edge well. I had Rob make a knife I designed, for me years ago - 80s - before he became fashionable.
It has held up well. I have only used it for skinning help and a tinder maker but it is one of my favorites. Robs a talented individual. He had done well.

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I can't speak for Busse as I have never owned one to date. I'm sure that will change eventually, and I'll pick one up.

I do have a couple Randall's that I love, and actually do take hunting. With as good as they look, I still have a hard time not using a knife for what it was made to do. The quality and aesthetics are exactly what I picture in a knife that I can use for a lifetime before passing it down to the next generation.





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I can't speak for Busse as I have never owned one to date. I'm sure that will change eventually, and I'll pick one up.

I do have a couple Randall's that I love, and actually do take hunting. With as good as they look, I still have a hard time not using a knife for what it was made to do. The quality and aesthetics are exactly what I picture in a knife that I can use for a lifetime before passing it down to the next generation.





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Beautiful knives! I invested in a Randall about 20 years ago for my deer hunting knife. Love it.

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Thanks! Your Randall looks Awesome! Is that a Model 25? And Nickel Hilt?

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Hahaha, couldn't even begin to guess. I believe it is the nickel hilt. I think I paid $300 for it...saw it in a knife store in South Coast Plaza about 5 years ago for $500. Crazy. Amazing knife though.
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I'd take the Randall over the Busse but they're both great knives.

If I were really doing some trekking over outdoor terrain I'd probably just carry a well sharpened KA-BAR. It's not so upsetting when you lose a $40 knife verses a $400 dollar one.
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I'd take the Randall over the Busse but they're both great knives.
Definitely depends on how important it would be if you NEEDED the knife. I have plenty of users that were $140 new... and they are Scrap Yard / SYKCO's that are indestructible AND grippy beyond knives at any price... like a TRASH1 or flat ground REGULATOR... I feel like that's a sweet spot for utility and quality vs flashy knives with mediocre steel or cheap junk.

For $55 I'd definitely grab a Kabar Becker BK5 though. Looks like it is $51.74 today on Prime... yikes. Tempting but I do not need another 7-8" blade, no way. That's been a steal on Amazon for years though.
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I saw one on Instagram... messaged him to see if he still has it for sale.
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