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Old 10-03-2017, 4:47 PM
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I have been thinking of buying an AR, and was wondering which optics to use? I wouldn't be shooting more than 200 yards. What do you guys recommend? Thank you. Excuse my ignorance, I've only dealt with C&Rs + Shotguns..
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What kind of shooting do you anticipate doing? If you are ringing gongs or not achieving better than 2-3MOA on paper is acceptable than a red will fit the bill. For a "fighting gun", defensive gun, or gamer gun a red dot will be much faster and more forgiving. Generally the red dot will be quicker, lighter, take up less space, and allow you to hit targets at and exceeding that 200 yard mark.

If you to achieve better than 2MOA than you will want a good scope. Even at 100 yards a great scope will make a difference.

Again, if the red dot sounds attractive but your eyes just aren't up to shooting 200 yards then maybe a low powered scope will be a good alternative.
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Thank you Josh.

I plan on shooting less than 200yds. I'd like to be able to try a little farther, but I don't know if I have the skills to hit anything at that range.

Any recommendations as far as brands or styles? I'd like to keep it under $300.. thank you.
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I am not a fan of red-dot sights. I don't think red-dot sights are good much past 100 yards. I like iron sights better but have started using a scope because my eyesight is getting worse.

Red-dot sights are nice at close, shotgun and pistol, range.
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If you have eye astigmatism, the choice of a red dot, or not, may be made for you. With astigmatism, the dot is furry, fluffy, spikey, or bloomy.

I loved my Eotech red dot for shooting 50-100 yards....it was fast and easy.... but my eyes changed with astigmatism and affected the dot a lot . Had to go prism scope......which is fine
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Unmagnified Red dot are great for CQB rapid acquisition of targets. Beyond 100 yards, the accuracy of red dot rapidly diminish. (Also be aware if you have an astigmatism, red dots can result in aberrations of the dot.) A more flexible alternative are the 1-6 illuminated magnification scopes. For the money the Vortex strike Eagle is hard to beat.


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I plan on shooting less than 200yds. I'd like to be able to try a little farther, but I don't know if I have the skills to hit anything at that range.

Any recommendations as far as brands or styles? I'd like to keep it under $300.. thank you.
You'd be surprised. It is all about knowing the trajectory. I was personally taught to zero at 25 yards for a 25/300 yard zero so that is how I do it. I always say, if your eyes are up to it then a red dot will be excellent. But I am a big red dot fan. See this chart as it is easier to see than explain: https://everydaymarksman.files.wordp...03/olpu9h1.jpg

For less than $300 you are cutting it close. I am an Aimpoint fan and would suggest trying to find a good deal on an ACO or PRO. If you can swing that otherwise I've had good luck with the Primary Arms Classic line.

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I am not a fan of red-dot sights. I don't think red-dot sights are good much past 100 yards. I like iron sights better but have started using a scope because my eyesight is getting worse.

Red-dot sights are nice at close, shotgun and pistol, range.
Red dots are great at any range that you can identify your target and safely shoot it. I've taken mine to 400 yards (had Lasik). But the idea that red dots are only useful at close range is a myth that has been stomped to death. Consider that a 2MOA red dot is going to cover up considerably less of your target than a front sight post. Then throw in a reticle with multiple reference points and now you can readily find your dope and/or measure target distance.
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I do wear prescription glasses, and I have astigmatism. My right eye (shooting eye) is not as good as my left eye (go figure)..

I'm confused, is the Red Dot worse for people with astigmatism?
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....I'm confused, is the Red Dot worse for people with astigmatism?
Yes. It will make the dot look fuzzy. Depends how bad it is. Mine is very slight in my shooting eye so I can still use red dots....for now...
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I'm 57 and thought RDS would be good to 100 yds but turns out my astigmatism thought otherwise. I still have RDS on my AR Pistols but will only shoot those out to 50 yds. I put 4x prism scope on my Tavor SAR and 3-9x scopes on my other rifles. I find my eyes fatigue easily and the magnified optics help mitigate some of the fatigue.
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I'm 58 and have astigmatism. I'm only good out to about 50 yards with a red dot. I have a scope and a red dot on my AR. If I only had one optic for the AR it would be a scope.
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Thanks for the tips guys, it sounds like I'm going to go with an optic then.. any suggestions on decent optics under $300? And what power optics should I get? I'm a total newbie when it comes to scopes..
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Couple other questions...

Do you shoot from the bench? Average Target Size/Shape? Single target or plan to transition?

Low power variable optics (1-4x, 1-6x, 2-8x, 2-10x) would probably be best

Here are some options to consider:

Athlon 1-4x BTR

Sightron S-TAC 2-10x32

Primary Arms 4-14x44

Nikon 2-8x32

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Vortex 1-6 Strike Eagle. Optics Planet lists them at $329, but wait for a sale. They usually knock 10% (sometimes more) off bringing you to your sub $300 number. Also get a one piece mount. You will not be disappointed with this scope. It’s as good as a Nikon 1.5-6 (I have both) that cost over twice as much.
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Couple other questions...

Do you shoot from the bench? Average Target Size/Shape? Single target or plan to transition?

Low power variable optics (1-4x, 1-6x, 2-8x, 2-10x) would probably be best

Here are some options to consider:

Athlon 1-4x BTR

Sightron S-TAC 2-10x32

Primary Arms 4-14x44

Nikon 2-8x32

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^^^^ This. Get a 1x? No mag at close range, clear crosshair. With an option to magnify out to 4-6-or 8 for 200 plus yards of target shooting.

Best of both worlds.
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Red dots are my first choice if fast target acquisition is the primary goal, especially within 100 yards. They have unlimited eye relief so they're great when shooting from awkward positions such as urban prone.

If I'm shooting from a bench and taking my time, I prefer a magnified scope.
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What about going with a red dot, and adding a magnifier when needed?
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To me, most red-dots look like the hourglass nebula. I can't remember if the high-dollar Aimpoint looked that way also. I did not like the EO-Tech red-dot long before there was a known problem with them.






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Depending on how bad your astigmatism is, a red dot like an Aimpoint may be out of the question for you. I have mild astigmatism and holographic type sights like an Eotech or Vortex's new UH1 work better for me with less or no distortion, the advantage of these sights are for speed and closer distances though you can learn to shoot them at distances. Low Powered Variables in the 1-4/1-6/1-8 are preferable when shooting at distance yet give you the ability to use them with both eyes open at 1x. Depending on what your budget is, there's a LPV from $300ish to sky's the limit. Feel free to give us a call at 916.670.1103 and we'd be happy to assist.
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Arnold one suggestion about the astigmatism. If you have one near you, call local ranges that rent rifles and see if they have a rifle with a dot on it you can look through, and look through it and possibly shoot the rifle.

In addition, ask to see some of their dots and look thru them at distance (say out into the parking lot or out a window or w/e). They wont let you do this with an optic on a rifle of course. Reason is i ran into the same issue a couple weeks ago. Loomed thru sights at one store and aiming the guns at the wall 10 feet away it was terrible. I asked to look thru some different kinds at another gun store (an eotech in particular but looked thru a couple holosuns as well) and as i looked thru them pointing them towards the wall, again 10 feet away, the guy behind the counter suggested i look thru them out the window into the parking lot. And when i did so the reticle cleared up a bit.

Point is, dont count out the red dot before you at least look through one. Each and every astigmatism is different. Some see a "comet" or a comma, some a figure 8 shape like carcassonne above, and some see a "starburst" where the dot has arms coming off of it such as myself.
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Red dots are my first choice if fast target acquisition is the primary goal, especially within 100 yards. They have unlimited eye relief so they're great when shooting from awkward positions such as urban prone.

If I'm shooting from a bench and taking my time, I prefer a magnified scope.
Completely agree with this. Of course mission should dictate gear, but I absolutely despise using LPV scopes for a cqb-type set up after shooting from odd angles, sideways under a car, etc. Red dots are so forgiving and you don't have to stay in such a small eye box. Unless a specific rifle or build has a need for target identification past 75-100 yards and some magnification is required, red dot all day.

OP, I also have astigmatism. I wear glasses everyday, hate contacts. I don't use scopes unless I'm shooting past 300 yards or shooting small groups in paper. I run fixed irons on all my builds with red dots (FSB front/DD rear or DD front & rear) , cowitness and leave rear sight on the small aperture. Looking through the small peep helps your eye focus, and for me personally the dot goes from a blob to a nice dot. Takes an extra second for me to get on target without my glasses as I prefer lower 1/3 cowitness, but cowitnessed fixed irons works for me, YMMV.

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Dude, hit me up and we'll get something together. We live in the same city. I use an aimpoint m4, friends use eotechs and do have 3x magnifiers. Bring however much factory loaded ammo you want and have at it on my rifle
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Thanks for all of the useful info fellas, I've been doing a little more research myself, and it seems like the only way to know is going to be to put my eye on both.

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I have been happy with the Burris AR335. It's a 3X prism scope with selectable Reticle brightness and color options. Another cool feature of these types of scopes, is with the lens covers open they are 3X. Close the front cover and they can easily be used as 1X. I mostly shoot 200 yards and under.
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Vortex 1-6 Strike Eagle. Optics Planet lists them at $329, but wait for a sale. They usually knock 10% (sometimes more) off bringing you to your sub $300 number. Also get a one piece mount. You will not be disappointed with this scope. It’s as good as a Nikon 1.5-6 (I have both) that cost over twice as much.
I looked into this scope after reading your post, great reviews and can be found on Amazon or ebay for about $260. Tempting.
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I looked into this scope after reading your post, great reviews and can be found on Amazon or ebay for about $260. Tempting.
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