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Old 10-06-2017, 1:38 PM
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Default Police Trade ins

Just curious why police trade ins are typically 40sw. For instance, I see glock 27s all the time but never a 26.
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40SW has been the standard service round for a long time.
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Two interesting Police trade ins that I would like being an avid reloader. The Glock 31 in 357 Sig and the Glock 37 in 45 GAP. In my quest I have seen a variety of 9mm, 40 and 45 ACP Glocks for sale.

I am guessing the Glock 26 is very popular so that is what that is likely the first item bought. Supply and demand.
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40SW has been the standard service round for a long time.
Interesting. I always thought it was 9mm.
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Interesting. I always thought it was 9mm.
Most agencies are dumping 40 for 9mm.
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40SW has been the standard service round for a long time.
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Most agencies are dumping 40 for 9mm.
Both true. Lots of the Feds are changing over.
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Both true. Lots of the Feds are changing over.
FBI did a big study using the latest bulled designs and determined that the 9mm was a better round when factoring in recoil / controllability , capacity etc...

FBI kinda sets the standard for all federal agencies and ultimately state and local law enforcement as well.

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Your tax dollars at work in the churn...
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Both true. Lots of the Feds are changing over.
Yes, both true. There is a lot of conversion to 9mm now. CHP still carries the S&W 4006 which is 40SW. A lot of agencies out there still carrying G22.

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Also very true. There's a lot of money to be spent (and made) when someone decides a new caliber is the thing.
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FBI did a big study using the latest bulled designs and determined that the 9mm was a better round when factoring in recoil / controllability , capacity etc...

FBI kinda sets the standard for all federal agencies and ultimately state and local law enforcement as well.

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Actually they just determined untrained shooters shoot 9mm better. and the savings they get for not training agents is huge.
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Is there a good place in San Jose/South Bay to find decent police trade ins? Or is it pretty much an online deal?

Never looked at picking one up before.

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Is there a good place in San Jose/South Bay to find decent police trade ins? Or is it pretty much an online deal?

Never looked at picking one up before.
LC Action sells Police Trade In Glocks. They are predominantly a Police supply shop but will sell Gen 3 to public.
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In reality the use of different calibers is all over the board. There are lots of agencies that use .40, lots that use 9mm, and lots that use .45. Some agencies even use .357 sig. Just depends really. My agency has never, and will never adopt the .40. Some of that is due to the use of berettas for a long time, and some of it is due to our previous range masters preference. Like i said, it just depends.
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Most agencies are dumping 40 for 9mm.
This.
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Yes, both true. There is a lot of conversion to 9mm now. CHP still carries the S&W 4006 which is 40SW. A lot of agencies out there still carrying G22.



Also very true. There's a lot of money to be spent (and made) when someone decides a new caliber is the thing.
CHP slowly phasing them out for M&Ps 1.0, still in 40.
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Most agencies are dumping 40 for 9mm.
At one time 60% of agencies had .40 S&W. For a large department the change from 40 to 9mm will save $1,000,000 in three years. That is impressive savings. Next the body armor bid will go to Kleenex.

I really salute the smaller progressive agencies that allow their people to pick whatever they prefer.
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It's all due to a story:

Once upon a time most law enforcement used 9mm handguns. Then the FBI had a high profile failure in a shootout due to bad strategy, bad tactics, and a bad choice of ammunition. Nobody wants to be discovered to be inept and incompetent, so a huge study, funded by taxpayer dollars, resulted in the FBI changing to .40 S&W. Better to blame the caliber than the strategy, tactics, and ammo choice. LE agencies around the country followed suit in sheep-like fashion. "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" is an old saying that reinforces that you don't have to think or be imaginative, just play follow the leader.

Not long ago, the FBI decided 9mm was the way to go after all. LE across the country are following along like good little sheep. Thus .40 S&W is basically a dead caliber and the guns, used or new, are dirt cheap now.

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Yes, both true. There is a lot of conversion to 9mm now. CHP still carries the S&W 4006 which is 40SW. A lot of agencies out there still carrying G22.



Also very true. There's a lot of money to be spent (and made) when someone decides a new caliber is the thing.
They are in process of switching to the M&P in .40. Officers are being allowed to purchase their 4006 if they like. My buddy bought his with several mags.
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Thus .40 S&W is basically a dead caliber and the guns, used or new, are dirt cheap now.

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My county sheriff is one if like only 3 so far to switch to the 17M. From the 22, they've had the 22 for at least 15 years I'm guessing


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Is there a good place in San Jose/South Bay to find decent police trade ins? Or is it pretty much an online deal?

Never looked at picking one up before.

LC Action just got a bunch but I think they sell only to LE, try grab a gun, pretty sure they will ship to your ffl
I know a few places in AZ is getting them regularly
The problem for 'the peasants' is that they are all gen 4, so FFLs can't sell them to other than exempt persons, that will probably drive their price down a bit 'to those that are exempt'


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Yes, both true. There is a lot of conversion to 9mm now. CHP still carries the S&W 4006 which is 40SW. A lot of agencies out there still carrying G22.



Also very true. There's a lot of money to be spent (and made) when someone decides a new caliber is the thing.


CHP is currently transitioning to the M&P, still in .40 Majority still have the 4006TSW, but all academy classes that graduate now are issued M&P's.

Caliber choice - There are a lot of different factors that go into this. We discussed this at length during the FBI firearms instructor course when I attended years ago. One of our lead instructors was a Senior HRT team leader, they had already made the decision to dump the .40 Money isn't alway the driving factor, but it does play a part. Going back to the 9mm is a wise choice for sure. What I took away from the analysis of the 1986 FBI shootout was that mindset in the adversary can never be overlooked, as someone stated above looking at the caliber to solve a problem often leads to a false sense of confidence. Skill and tactics should never substituted for the wonder caliber or weapon.
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