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Old 08-20-2017, 9:41 AM
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"Sig sauer customer service, how can I help you?"

"I'm from kalifornia and I have an issue with...(Click)...hello, hello, is anyone there?"

Stupid question but is the pistol rostered? Because any frame damage they're not going to repair. Even if it's a spot weld/buildup type thing. They'll replace the frame. And well, that poses a huge issue for any company doing business in kalifornia for multiple and obvious reasons.

I own two sigs. They are awesome. I purchased both used though. Of all things they are known for, sig isn't known for its great CS.
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Too bad on your Chevy. I bought my wife an 2012 Equinox and started having oil issues with. I found out that they used crappy rings in the 2010-2012's.

I got her engine rebuilt in January and it's running better than it did when it was new.

Here's a link to a thread I started on it http://www.equinoxforum.net/showthread.php?t=10876

If you're still under warranty I would recommend doing it the way I did it and giving it a try again.

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"Sig sauer customer service, how can I help you?"

"I'm from kalifornia and I have an issue with...(Click)...hello, hello, is anyone there?"

Stupid question but is the pistol rostered? Because any frame damage they're not going to repair. Even if it's a spot weld/buildup type thing. They'll replace the frame. And well, that poses a huge issue for any company doing business in kalifornia for multiple and obvious reasons.

I own two sigs. They are awesome. I purchased both used though. Of all things they are known for, sig isn't known for its great CS.
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Most manufacturers will only warranty claims from the original owner. Springfield and Rock Island are some of the only companies that I know that will take care of the claims from people who are not the original owner.
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I am nor the original owner! It's my third and last sig. The trigger return is notably less responsive than my 228!
I am a little bit upset that a $1100 hand gun has such poor service. The way it's being handled by sig is disheartening.
It's embarrassing when the $200 High Point has better service. Most people believe you get what you pay for. In my opinion that is not true with the Sig Sauer.
It has about 5000 rounds through it. I have a few more pictures. You can see the spring has eaten into the frame. This was not done by a tool
Read Sig Sauer's warranty, it only applies to the original owner. And it is obvious that damage was done by a weekend gunsmith.

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LOL!

So here's another one found out that SiG's customer service rules are simple:

1) it's NEVER the gun - it's YOU
2) If you think it's something we did and we actually did do it it's because we know our guns better than you do and if you can't figure out how to use our guns that's just too bad because you're an idiot.

SiG has been skating on their reputation and fan boy admiration for a bit too long.
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I knew a guy who prided himself by getting something for nothing. He'd scam retailers by returning used products for refunds - even shoes he'd worn for a couple of years. Sometimes it would work. When it didn't, he'd take it personally & get really butthurt.

OP, do you have a twin brother?
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Old 08-25-2017, 8:44 AM
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Most manufacturers will only warranty claims from the original owner. Springfield and Rock Island are some of the only companies that I know that will take care of the claims from people who are not the original owner.
Taurus warranty is good for anyone, regardless of whether or not you are the original owner.

Ruger will also repair any gun but they do not specify it in their warranty. They do not specify their warranty for a reason. It prevents them from being locked in by the laws governing warranties.


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After reading about sigs long history with this spring eating into frames I am shocked that they will not stand behind its product and it's know flaws. Now with the 320 issue. It seems sig is more into advertising and suckling up peoples money.
I'll ask again, where is this long history of the spring eating into frames? Where did you read it?
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I knew a guy who prided himself by getting something for nothing.

He'd scam retailers by returning used products for refunds - even shoes he'd worn for a couple of years.

Sometimes it would work.

When it didn't, he'd take it personally & get really butthurt.

OP, do you have a twin brother?
Sounds like my sister-in-law.

Even when she was making good money, she'd lie, cheat and steal without shame or remorse, every chance she had...

A lot of US companies went out of business, thanks to their liberal return/refund/warranty policies, meeting with amoral douchebags.

Sig is doing exactly what their warrant states...
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LOL!

So here's another one found out that SiG's customer service rules are simple:

1) it's NEVER the gun - it's YOU
2) If you think it's something we did and we actually did do it it's because we know our guns better than you do and if you can't figure out how to use our guns that's just too bad because you're an idiot.

SiG has been skating on their reputation and fan boy admiration for a bit too long.
1) Look at the pic carefully.
2) Sig warranty is for Original Owner.

Don't lose sight of these two.
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1) Look at the pic carefully.
2) Sig warranty is for Original Owner.

Don't lose sight of these two.
I WAS an original SiG owner and as you can guess, my experience with SiG customer service was somewhat less than optimal.
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I WAS an original SiG owner and as you can guess, my experience with SiG customer service was somewhat less than optimal.
I don't know your case but the OP is very obvious and there is no other way around it.

I'm not defending Sig but just merely pointing out the two reasons above.
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Also from what I gathered Sig seems to have remedied the issue by moving the notch so that it now rests on the steel mag release.

Now here's a more modern Sig probably made within the last 4-5 years.


So I was wondering the other day about this 'fix' - it only works if the mag catch is set for a righty. If the mag catch were reversed, this 'fix' would be useless. Because the plate would not be there, it would be on the other side of the gun. Which leads me to wonder, was it really meant to be a fix - or just a coincidence? I guess a majority of guns are configured for rightys, but still - sort of a predicament if that is the fix. Lefties - no fix for you.

And I might try it after/if I can get a spare plate, but I think the plate could be peened to stretch it. Then of course it could not be reversed to the other side either, you would have to revert back to a stock plate.
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Does the gun still work? I fail to see how this problem would cause the gun to stop working. It might make the spring's effective rate become 1% less than intended, but I would imagine that there is more than a 1% variance in the power of these springs so it shouldn't make a difference. I'd just put the grips back on and shoot it.
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Does the gun still work? I fail to see how this problem would cause the gun to stop working. It might make the spring's effective rate become 1% less than intended, but I would imagine that there is more than a 1% variance in the power of these springs so it shouldn't make a difference. I'd just put the grips back on and shoot it.
He also needs to lubricate it, that thing looks bone dry.

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It now fails the drop test. My guess would be due to lack of pressure to hold the trigger forward
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Don't drop it. In fact just get rid of it. I have 24 sigs.... One of my P225's is pushing 60k rounds and NONE of them have any kind of issue with the hole cut for the return spring. This 229 was monkey'd with. Just get rid of it.
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Let me know if I've got this right...

So you bought a used Sig knowing the warranty only applies to the original purchase and cannot be transfered to you and now there's an issue and you're upset they won't honor a non-existent warranty?

It's simple, if you buy a used gun (or car or anything else) without a warranty then you need to pay for the repairs yourself or go after the seller for not disclosing the damage prior to the sale.

Defect, crappy home brew gunsmithing, lack of lubrication or spring mod, whatever, it doesnt matter and its not bad CS, ITS NOT WARRANTED BECAUSE YOURE NOT THE ORIGINAL PURCHASER!!!

It's simple, you took a risk and bought a bad handgun. It's nobody's fault but yours.
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OP, the gun is obviously worthless now, tell you what I will do for you, I will give you $5.00 for it AND because I am in a generous mood, I will even pay your gas to deliver it.

Then I will shoot the crap out of the gun and enjoy it for many years, if the hole gets much bigger, its a simple job to drill out the hole and insert a steel dowel and drill out the steel dowel to hold the spring, then its steel on steel and will last forever. Even JB-Weld would work as someone else as posted but i am not a fan of JB-Weld, I would machine it after shooting it for decades as-is. There are quite a few easy fixes that are far easier than shipping it back to the manufacturer and what I assume is a ton of paperwork to do that.

Its not visible with the grips on, even with the grips off I had to look a few times to see the damage and it does not affect the function of the gun, why is it a issue ?
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Can you put some glue on it? When the time comes to replace the trigger bar spring, remove the spring and the glue. Put new spring and glue on.
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Can you put some glue on it? When the time comes to replace the trigger bar spring, remove the spring and the glue. Put new spring and glue on.
No because the spring moves. you are just better off shooting the hell out of it until the frame wears down to the point where the spring will not stay in place anymore.
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Hi Point will repair their gun regardless of owner is because this is their marketing strategy, and only by doing that it would give out more bait to attract people buying their guns. Mind you, Hi Point also has rules saying that under certain condition they will consider the warranty is voided and will not do anything for it, such as using "specific brand of magazine".

Sig, on the other hand, has clearly state that they will only offer warranty to the original buyer, so it does not even matters if it is factory default or third party manipulate. You are not the original buyer of the gun, and by their rules, they don't need to fix your gun for whatever reason it is.
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No because the spring moves. you are just better off shooting the hell out of it until the frame wears down to the point where the spring will not stay in place anymore.
How about putting some epoxy in the hole to fill it up, let it cure, then drill a small hole for the spring? Essentially a cheap band aid fix akin to what mikeyr mentioned several posts back, but much more ghetto.
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It now fails the drop test. My guess would be due to lack of pressure to hold the trigger forward
Can you provide a little more detail in to the circumstances and nature of the failure?
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Hole being elongated reduced the pressure of the trigger return spring. Now it fails the drop test.
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How about putting some epoxy in the hole to fill it up, let it cure, then drill a small hole for the spring? Essentially a cheap band aid fix akin to what mikeyr mentioned several posts back, but much more ghetto.
Next week the hole will be welded up then redrilled. I'm am selling this pistol due to poor quality. The new owner has seen the hole and is ok with it being welded and redrilled.
I'm sticking with glocks. They don't eal them selfs
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I was asked to cerakote this gun found the problem. After the email to sig and there poor service response I bought this gun .previous owner is now a happy glock owner. I own enough guns. About a year ago I bought the TTT. I have loved that 1911. Then I got a 228. Now this one. After reading about sigs long history with this spring eating into frames I am shocked that they will not stand behind its product and it's know flaws. Now with the 320 issue. It seems sig is more into advertising and suckling up peoples money. Not showing customer that they value customer safety or perception. This problem is rare. For sig not to fix this stops me from buying a 220 stainless or a higher end sig.
It seems a custom glock or less bear will be in my future before new sig. After my mp3008 build.
I will not be taking a sig to pistol classes. It will no longer be in my night stand. Sig is just not a good value.
Hey, a guy named "Cohen" is running the company. What do you expect.... look what he did to Kimber...
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Sell it and buy a hi point due to the better warranty.

The whole gun may be out of spec, but at least they will fix it 3xs a month for free.

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Let me know if I've got this right...

So you bought a used Sig knowing the warranty only applies to the original purchase and cannot be transfered to you and now there's an issue and you're upset they won't honor a non-existent warranty?

It's simple, if you buy a used gun (or car or anything else) without a warranty then you need to pay for the repairs yourself or go after the seller for not disclosing the damage prior to the sale.

Defect, crappy home brew gunsmithing, lack of lubrication or spring mod, whatever, it doesnt matter and its not bad CS, ITS NOT WARRANTED BECAUSE YOURE NOT THE ORIGINAL PURCHASER!!!

It's simple, you took a risk and bought a bad handgun. It's nobody's fault but yours.
But, but that's not the point. OP paid too much a lot of money for a used product. Since the person OP bought if from won't refund the money, OP is holding the original manufacturer responsible.
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Hole being elongated reduced the pressure of the trigger return spring. Now it fails the drop test.
No, it doesn't fail the drop test. The ever so slightly weakened spring would have nothing to do with the firing pin safety, which prevents the gun from firing unless the trigger was pulled. Because it also has a spring. A totally separate, independent spring. Or have you somehow managed to screw that up too?

You really have absolutely no idea what you are doing, do you? Was your name Chaz in another time? I don't think you understand what a drop test is.
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No, it doesn't fail the drop test. The ever so slightly weakened spring would have nothing to do with the firing pin safety, which prevents the gun from firing unless the trigger was pulled. Because it also has a spring. A totally separate, independent spring. Or have you somehow managed to screw that up too?

You really have absolutely no idea what you are doing, do you? Was your name Chaz in another time? I don't think you understand what a drop test is.
This^^^^^ put an end to the OP's unfounded rant perfectly!
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