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Old 06-16-2017, 3:07 PM
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DECIDED TO SELL THIS IF INTERESTED SEE MY FOR SALE THREAD.

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What you have there is a whole lot of fun.

Is it import marked on the left side of the barrel? Yours appears the same as the Blue Sky Korean imports from about 1988. I noticed that there was no photograph of the left side of the barrel.

With a milled sight and a bayonet lug on the front band it was refurbished after WW2.

An expert will be along shortly because that is all that I think I know.

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That stock originally belongs on a Saginaw IIRC. High wood Trimble, lots of SG stampings, might be worth some $$ to a SG guy trying to rebuild one. You also have a push button safety, don't see those very often.

Is it import marked anywhere?

Anyhow, we can rule out 'original as-issued barn find' but still very cool and lots more details to uncover.
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No visible import markings...

Would they be concealed by the stock? I haven't taken it apart.
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What bolt does it have?
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I just disassembled it for the first time...

It has no import markings anywhere that I can find.

It has a round bolt with a "M" "W" stamped on it.

Flat cam/step cut ... (Type III or type IV) with DA-O stamp

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http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/slides.html

Trying to figure it out.
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Coluld have been a DCM release in the 60s.

Post War rebuild for sure. Nice Carbine though. It would be strange that it got the adjustable sight, and bayo lug. But the push safety was left. Usually in rebuild all three changes were done. Someone may have put a push safety back in it.

IBM used round Bolts late in production. Seems others may have also. Memory they say is the first thing to go. Underwood may have, but the M marking does not ring a bell right off.

Highwood stocks are desirable.

Some will tell you they made the round Bolts for use in the M2 Carbines specifically. But I think the truth is, they found the round ones were easier to machine, and thus cheaper to produce.

Edit: Looks like the Bolt may be a W, maybe made by the White Company, a parts contractor. Maybe Winchester, but unsure they ever made round ones, maybe someone else can answer that..

Take all this from a old guy that does not recall everything correctly sometimes

One thing, please resist the urge to start swapping parts to "correct" it, and try to make it something it never was. Very nice as is. And should stay that way.

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that's a Underwood with a subcontracted receiver the W, kind of rare but is a mix master. The high wood SG stock looks to have no cracks is in the $400-500 range to a collector looking to get the correct stock for a SG.

originally most all parts would be marked U for underwood.

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Best source to find correct info, is over on the CMP Forum. A few guys over there are really experts.
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Yea nice shooter there. You could come out ahead selling the highwood stock to someone, and getting a newer m2 style potbelly stock for it. The potbelly stocks were more resistant to cracking anyways. And ya enjoy it! I wouldn't worry about trying to"correct" it; it'll never be "original" again anyways and as it, it's period correct for a wwII rebuild Korean era. That one could be a CMP gun. Some of the ones they sold about 8 years ago had pushbutton safeties on occasion from wherever they got them from. Esp since there's no import mark. Now you need a sling oiler and mag pouch for it!! Repro's on eBay or gunbroker are usually fine and cheaper. If you want USGI, a d-tip sling would be period correct and cheaper than a real c-tip. When you get a mag pouch, if you want to put it on the stock be sure you get the correct one with the big cuff. The belt loop style looks the same on the front, but it just has two small belt loops for a web belt and won't fit over the stock like the other kind will.
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The round "checkered" safety is/was consistent with other Winchester and Underwood early parts.

Congratulations on the acquisition!

If it was an S'G' stock I would totally be asking for the privilege of purchasing it from you

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Thanks for all the input!
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Thanks for all the input!

I bought it as a shooter and didn't expect anything more...but I wanted to check before taking it to the range.

If anyone needs a high wood stock, PM me... I would rather see it go to a nice collector correct rifle than me take it out and ding it up...
Unless you get into hard core American milsurp collecting, there is no need whatsoever to worry about a USGI M1 that has a bunch of different parts to it. It is just as it should be, a Heinz 57 rebuild.

I just recently fell into a M1 Carbine that is pretty common but with a nice High-Wood stock. I had the same thought you did, as replacement M1 carbine stocks are easy to find. But if the weapon has had the same configuration for many years, I just don't want to change anything, so the high wood is staying put.
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Congrats on finding a fine M1 Carbine. They are loads of fun to shoot.
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