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Old 06-05-2017, 3:22 PM
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AB1511 explicitly prohibits the lending of firearms to non-blood relations. Now, to even temporarily loan a firearm to a friend at the range, you must exchange the firearm at a dealer using a full DROS, FSC, paying said fees, etc. This activity is not commercial in the slightest. In fact, "lending to a friend" is as far away from "commercial" as you can get!
You sure about that? Seems the situation you describe would be covered by either of the following code sections:

Penal Code 27885.
Section 27545 does not apply to the loan of a firearm if all of the following conditions exist:
(a) The person loaning the firearm is at all times within the presence of the person being loaned the firearm.
(b) The loan is for a lawful purpose.
(c) The loan does not exceed three days in duration.
(d) The individual receiving the firearm is not prohibited by state or federal law from possessing, receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm.
(e) The person loaning the firearm is 18 years of age or older.
(f) The person being loaned the firearm is 18 years of age or older.

Penal Code 27910.
Section 27545 does not apply to the loan of a firearm to a person 18 years of age or older for the purposes of shooting at targets if the loan occurs on the premises of a target facility that holds a business or regulatory license or on the premises of any club or organization organized for the purposes of practicing shooting at targets upon established ranges, whether public or private, if the firearm is at all times kept within the premises of the target range or on the premises of the club or organization.
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There is enough wiggle room in PC27910 that, as an uninformed non-lawyer, I feel an overzealous DA would still attempt to prosecute anyway; to stack charges and force a plea deal under duress of legal cost.

As rhetorical questions: May I ask what BLM land or private property would be considered? What if both of you are shooting simultaneously?

Pertaining to the text (since the text of the PC is what matters): Or a location that doesn't require a "business or regulatory" license? Or a "not-specifically-gun" club that still permits the activity? Or a range without "established targets"? (Tin can on fence, etc.)

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As rhetorical questions: May I ask what BLM land or private property would be considered? What if both of you are shooting simultaneously?

Pertaining to the text (since the text of the PC is what matters): Or a location that doesn't require a "business or regulatory" license? Or a "not-specifically-gun" club that still permits the activity? Or a range without "established targets"? (Tin can on fence, etc.)
In these cases, 27885 should cover you. No?
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